Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
GAS is not the answer
Page <<first <prev 4 of 6 next> last>>
Nov 18, 2020 16:37:02   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Artists are just children who don't worry about the brands.

Reply
Nov 18, 2020 16:51:49   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
I guess I'm the only one who does not know what the acronym GAS stands for. (The only use I'm aware of is definitely not this one.)

Reply
Nov 18, 2020 16:58:47   #
crphoto8 Loc: Anaheim, California
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
An endorsement by a participant of the benefits of excellent photography training:

“If I'd spent more on Mike's training and less on gear, I'd be a lot further down my photography path - and have change in my pocket!”

Like the participant, I have spent too much on equipment over the years and not enough on honing my skills.


Why not both? Lots of free info, training, advice (UHH) so there's no need to spend on skill honing.

Reply
 
 
Nov 18, 2020 18:31:26   #
BurghByrd Loc: Pittsburgh
 
David in Dallas wrote:
I guess I'm the only one who does not know what the acronym GAS stands for. (The only use I'm aware of is definitely not this one.)


I believe it's Gear Aquisition Syndrome or something to that effect.

Reply
Nov 18, 2020 20:55:31   #
oregonfrank Loc: Astoria, Oregon
 
I suggest that GAS vs practice is a false dichotomy. There are at least 4 possible combinations:
Lots of gear + lots of practice
Scarce gear + lots of practice
Lots of gear + little practice
Scarce gear + little practice
Personally I love precision made gear/tools, and I love to use them. The only person I have to account to for the photo gear I acquire is my spouse. I do photography because it’s fun and because most images are meaningful to me. I think we should avoid even the hint of judgment toward others who focus on gear acquisition or others who appear lacking in knowledge or skill. How can we say to anyone, “Too much gear, or not enough practice?” Frank

Reply
Nov 18, 2020 21:10:40   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I suspect that this thread may garner many pages.

There are many great successful photographers that have had academic training. There are many bad photographers that have many letters after their name and can quote every photo-technical theory chapter and verse and take lousy pictures.

There are many self-taught photographers that do superb work and probably as many self-taught photographers that should have gone to school in that they developed bad habits and never learned the basics.

There are many imaginative ad creative photographers that have incredibly great and ambitious concepts but don't know how to execute any of them.

Every serious craftsperson, professional or amateur wants the best tools to work with. Inferior, inappropriate, or malfunctioning tools can hamper even the most talented and savvy worker. There is, however, a misconception among some unsuccessful photoghrers, who are unhappy withte results, that an upgrade of equipment will solve their issues where in reality their deficit is in their faulty technique, a low level of skill or lack of "education" whether it is self-acquired knowledge or that gained in an academic setting. Makes no difference- they just don't know what they are doing.

There are cases where the photograher is experiencing an equipment-based issue that is holding him or her back in certain aspects of their work and a new lens, light, camera or another accessory will solve the problem. Some things can't be improvised worked around so out comes the piggybank!

Sometimes overly complicated and complex equipment becomes a deterrent to improving technically or artistically in photography. Too much automation can get in the way of learning necessary rudiments. Sometimes too much gear gets in the way between the photographer and the subjects- too much fumbling around can be a distraction.

School vs. Self-teaching? I consider myself fortunate that I did have some formal education- so I have some "wallpaper" and some basic theory to fall back on for problem-solving. I served as a military photographic specialist so I was forced to take certain specific training. I like to keep up with current stuff so I have always taken seminars and classes from time to time. Nonetheless, what I have learned on the "street" and on the job is knowledge and experience that I could not have attained in a classroom or from any book or tutorial.
I am certain I could have learned a good part of the theory by trial and error and experimentation but oftentimes just taking in a class or doing some old-fashioned book-learning can save a heck of a lot of time and money.

One thing I can tell y'all as a long time teacher and trainer- NO ONE can teach talent- you can only inspire your students and trainees to utilize the talent that they have and give them the mental tools to work with. A good teacher does not want to "clone himself" and produce "disciples" that adhere to his or her own style and philosophy. Too much of that is ongoing so you have students and fans practicing "idol worship" instead of developing their own styles and skills.

GAS? Gas can be painful- as a kid, I ate 4 cans of baked beans and the pains were so intense I was convinced I was having a heart attack at 15- years old-. A bottle of pop made it worse and I thought I was gonna explode. A good friend of mine taught me how to make Arroz con Gandules- real rice and beans (well actually pigeon peas) recipe- YUMMY! the starch in the rice absorbers the gas!

OK- some folks approach photography like stamp collectors, or coin collectors, or sports-card collectors and just NEED to have the next new whatever to complete their collection which is never completed. They have the right to enjoy their gear, so if the can afford it- more power to them! The manufactures and the retailers have to make a living and the market has to be there to supply them with revenue so the can continue to make advances in all the stuff they bring us.
I suspect that this thread may garner many pages. ... (show quote)


All knowledge cost real dollars. Paying a teacher or learning ones self all cost real dollars. Learning ones self usually spreads out the cost over a longer time. You are exactly correct that learned in the field knowledge cannot really be taught. Or can it? The school of hard knocks. Lol. Great post by the way.

Reply
Nov 18, 2020 21:18:58   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
As a competitive shooter I learned when better equipment helped my scoring and when I had reached the end of the road with equipment upgrades and when better practice made the difference. I remember Lee Travino replying to a TV commentator who said' "that was a lucky shot." Lee replied, "the more I practice, the luckier I get!"

Reply
 
 
Nov 18, 2020 21:20:09   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Well put.
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I suspect that this thread may garner many pages.

There are many great successful photographers that have had academic training. There are many bad photographers that have many letters after their name and can quote every photo-technical theory chapter and verse and take lousy pictures.

There are many self-taught photographers that do superb work and probably as many self-taught photographers that should have gone to school in that they developed bad habits and never learned the basics.

There are many imaginative ad creative photographers that have incredibly great and ambitious concepts but don't know how to execute any of them.

Every serious craftsperson, professional or amateur wants the best tools to work with. Inferior, inappropriate, or malfunctioning tools can hamper even the most talented and savvy worker. There is, however, a misconception among some unsuccessful photoghrers, who are unhappy withte results, that an upgrade of equipment will solve their issues where in reality their deficit is in their faulty technique, a low level of skill or lack of "education" whether it is self-acquired knowledge or that gained in an academic setting. Makes no difference- they just don't know what they are doing.

There are cases where the photograher is experiencing an equipment-based issue that is holding him or her back in certain aspects of their work and a new lens, light, camera or another accessory will solve the problem. Some things can't be improvised worked around so out comes the piggybank!

Sometimes overly complicated and complex equipment becomes a deterrent to improving technically or artistically in photography. Too much automation can get in the way of learning necessary rudiments. Sometimes too much gear gets in the way between the photographer and the subjects- too much fumbling around can be a distraction.

School vs. Self-teaching? I consider myself fortunate that I did have some formal education- so I have some "wallpaper" and some basic theory to fall back on for problem-solving. I served as a military photographic specialist so I was forced to take certain specific training. I like to keep up with current stuff so I have always taken seminars and classes from time to time. Nonetheless, what I have learned on the "street" and on the job is knowledge and experience that I could not have attained in a classroom or from any book or tutorial.
I am certain I could have learned a good part of the theory by trial and error and experimentation but oftentimes just taking in a class or doing some old-fashioned book-learning can save a heck of a lot of time and money.

One thing I can tell y'all as a long time teacher and trainer- NO ONE can teach talent- you can only inspire your students and trainees to utilize the talent that they have and give them the mental tools to work with. A good teacher does not want to "clone himself" and produce "disciples" that adhere to his or her own style and philosophy. Too much of that is ongoing so you have students and fans practicing "idol worship" instead of developing their own styles and skills.

GAS? Gas can be painful- as a kid, I ate 4 cans of baked beans and the pains were so intense I was convinced I was having a heart attack at 15- years old-. A bottle of pop made it worse and I thought I was gonna explode. A good friend of mine taught me how to make Arroz con Gandules- real rice and beans (well actually pigeon peas) recipe- YUMMY! the starch in the rice absorbers the gas!

OK- some folks approach photography like stamp collectors, or coin collectors, or sports-card collectors and just NEED to have the next new whatever to complete their collection which is never completed. They have the right to enjoy their gear, so if the can afford it- more power to them! The manufactures and the retailers have to make a living and the market has to be there to supply them with revenue so the can continue to make advances in all the stuff they bring us.
I suspect that this thread may garner many pages. ... (show quote)

Reply
Nov 18, 2020 22:13:39   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
When you measure the ingredients of success, what is the ratio of talent to practice to equipment?


IMHO,

25% Talent
25% Practice
25% Equipment
25% Luck

+80% bonus of knowing the right people

Reply
Nov 18, 2020 22:55:56   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.

Reply
Nov 19, 2020 01:55:26   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
ronpier wrote:
Skill and knowledge yes, developing an eye for composition not so much.


Try learning how to sketch, then how to paint. Composition will come naturally afterwards.
Most of the time composition is a hero, a story, a drama, or just a balance of elements.
If you can make pictures that tell at least one of those,you'll have a nice composition.
Deliberately go for one aor if possible a combination of them, otherwise you'll be betting on luck.

Reply
 
 
Nov 19, 2020 01:56:06   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
An ounce of practice is worth more than 30 megapixels.


Is that volume or weight? How many megapixels are there in an ounce?

Reply
Nov 19, 2020 02:50:16   #
hrblaine
 
oregonfrank wrote:
I suggest that GAS vs practice is a false dichotomy. I think we should avoid even the hint of judgment toward others who focus on gear acquisition or others who appear lacking in knowledge or skill. How can we say to anyone, “Too much gear, or not enough practice?” Frank


I agree. Not only is it none of my business, I'm no expert to be criticizing others. So unless you're asked....

Harry PS MYOB is a wonderful thing!

Reply
Nov 19, 2020 05:34:10   #
cmc4214 Loc: S.W. Pennsylvania
 
Gene51 wrote:
You are correct and I did catch that. But in my comment, I made the point that the two should not be exclusive. One can spend money on bad training and not be much further ahead, or worse, learn the trainer's bad habits.


Good point!

Reply
Nov 19, 2020 08:19:31   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Study and apply effective composition. Most all will follow: good exposure, interesting subject, and shooter intention.

The photographer Minor White said, "It takes ten years to learn photography."

The pursuit of this craft involves much practice while we learn from our mistakes and successes.

Happy holidays!
Wallen wrote:
Try learning how to sketch, then how to paint. Composition will come naturally afterwards.
Most of the time composition is a hero, a story, a drama, or just a balance of elements.
If you can make pictures that tell at least one of those,you'll have a nice composition.
Deliberately go for one aor if possible a combination of them, otherwise you'll be betting on luck.

Reply
Page <<first <prev 4 of 6 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.