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Sep 28, 2020 13:56:12   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Dngallagher wrote:
Agreed!

The other thing is, even though Flicker & Smugmug are probably both using Amazon S3, they only handle photo files, not data...S3 direct might be a little more costly, but it will store all your data.




As we speak (or rather write), I’ve just downloaded Amazon S3’s CLI so I can move data between buckets as well as between storage tiers. My intent is to create a read only JPEG archive of family photos for my children that’s easy to access and doesn’t have all the multiple factor authentication and encryption of my main storage.

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Sep 28, 2020 13:56:30   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
bittermelon wrote:
I use Carbonite, backs up all files. But restoration is a bear. I have to restore once, and it took days.


Cloud backup is secondary. You should have local backup as primary. No bandwidth issues that way.

If you have a few files to restore from the cloud, it can be done easily. If you have a really large block of files to restore you can get a loaned disk from many cloud services and return it when you're done. That gets around the bandwidth limitation. Take that into account when choosing your cloud provider.

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Sep 28, 2020 14:03:06   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Cloud backup is secondary. You should have local backup as primary. No bandwidth issues that way.

If you have a few files to restore from the cloud, it can be done easily. If you have a really large block of files to restore you can get a loaned disk from many cloud services and return it when you're done. That gets around the bandwidth limitation. Take that into account when choosing your cloud provider.


👍👍 good advice. My internet provider (Spectrum) used to provide 200Mb up and down (symmetrical) access, but for some reason, their fastest upload speed now for any price (including Gbit down) is 35Mb. Glad I already seeded the cloud with most of my data and only send incrementals now. Google is slowly digging in Gbit symmetrical fiber down our street, but not here yet. You can certainly upload a TB archive at 10-20 Mbit, but it will take awhile as a background task 😩.

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Sep 28, 2020 15:10:45   #
DJphoto Loc: SF Bay Area
 
PMM PHOTOGRAPHY wrote:
My Backblaze cloud storage subscription expires on 4 October
I am thinking that there may be other alternatives that are more attractive and poentially offer more benefits
specifically for photographers

I do not store any documents and have decided not to store jpeg images in the cloud; keeping them on primary and backup external hard drives

Specifically, I require the following
RAW file storage
Unlimited storage
Ease of use (I'm "tech" deprived)

Attributes are more important than price (within reason)

Any suggestions from this great goup would be most appreciated

THANK YOU
My Backblaze cloud storage subscription expires on... (show quote)


I use Dropbox, which satisfies your first and last requirements, especially the last one, as it is very easy to use. It is also great (and very easy) for sharing photos with friends and family. For individuals, they have 1 and 3 TB plans; I started with 1 TB and upgraded to 3 TB when I needed to. The 3 TB plan is $199/year. I wouldn't be surprised if that plan is increased, as it already was increased from 2 TB to 3 TB at no additional cost. They have business plans that are unlimited, but you need to pay for 3 users. I looked into Carbonite and others and Dropbox, was a little more expensive, but seemed like the best choice. I have Amazon Prime, but their video storage is limited, and I have quite a few video clips of things like our grandchildren, more than they allow. Whenever I move files from my camera memory cards, they go into a sub-folder in my main Dropbox folder on my desktop computer that is linked to my Dropbox account and they are automatically uploaded to Dropbox. When I am editing, the JPEGs go into a sub-folder in my Dropbox folder so they are automatically uploaded to Dropbox. I am very satisfied with Dropbox. I also have an external drive connected to my computer that automatically backs up every night, as well as some external drives that I back up to and store off-site.

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Sep 28, 2020 15:12:26   #
ChuckMc Loc: Prescott, AZ
 
Dngallagher wrote:
FWIW:
The Amazon Prime Photo backup runs 30 minutes after a watched folder has a file addition or change (edit)


Thanks for reminding me RE Amazon Prime Photo backup!
Chuck

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Sep 28, 2020 19:18:09   #
CaliforniaDreamer
 
I use Microsoft one drive because it is so easy and reasonably inexpensive. I can access anything in the backup using file manager. I set up rules so that anything I put into specified folders automatically get moved to one drive.

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Sep 28, 2020 19:29:58   #
Rob Simpson
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
As far as cloud storage is concerned, I think you should use it for EVERYTHING. Including your photos, word processing files, emails, spreadsheets, scanned documents (tax returns, insurance policies, deeds, wills, receipts for major items, etc.), program configuration files, etc. Anything that would cause you pain (or even moderate discomfort) if it disappeared.

I can understand not saving your jpgs since if you shoot raw they are easily reproduced (as long as your raw files are secure).

Cloud storage is secondary. Local storage should be primary because restoration can be done whether or not you have internet, and without limitations of bandwidth. Cloud storage should be part of your strategy because it's safer than local storage. The storage media are maintained by professionals in the cloud and by an amateur locally. The files are distributed across countries if not continents in cloud storage. The files might be across town locally. Think about regional disasters. The Paradise fire, that wiped out at least one town. The current west coast wildfires. The danger of earthquake on the west coast (largest there, but it exists everywhere).

My cloud storage costs me about $10/month. What are your files worth?
As far as cloud storage is concerned, I think you ... (show quote)


Can you tell me what backup system you use?

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Sep 28, 2020 20:26:56   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Dngallagher wrote:
Last time I looked, Smugmug only stores JPG, no longer stores raw images...for me that is a show stopper as I shoot raw and want my original raw shots backed up.


What? I thought they stored raw, jpeg, video... But I use JPEG for sharing. So I have not tried to upload raw. I will check. And report back.....

... I’m back. Well you are correct. I did not know that they did not accept raw. I saw that advert from them “backup all your Images” and thought it was for all the images. Some perhaps some different marketing going on now.

They do have a vault service, for any file type, but it costs additional $. I do not recommend it.

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Sep 28, 2020 20:58:31   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
JD750 wrote:
What? I thought they stored raw, jpeg, video... But I use JPEG for sharing. So I have not tried to upload raw. I will check. And report back.....

... I’m back. Well you are correct. I did not know that they did not accept raw. I saw that advert from them “backup all your Images” and thought it was for all the images. Some perhaps some different marketing going on now.

They do have a vault service, for any file type, but it costs additional $. I do not recommend it.


FWIW: flicker advertised the same thing for their pro plan, backup all your images - they get placed into private folders ....only problem, no raw......

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Sep 29, 2020 11:32:02   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Dngallagher wrote:
FWIW: flicker advertised the same thing for their pro plan, backup all your images - they get placed into private folders ....only problem, no raw......


I guess flickr and smugmug consider that raw files are not images
(a heated topic that arises from time to time, most recent one I've come across is at https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-667280-7.html#11606404 et seq., part of a raw/jpg discussion).

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Sep 29, 2020 11:37:09   #
Rick0747
 
I keep it relatively simple. I use an external drive and Dropbox. By using Dropbox, one has the ability to access files when not on your computer. You just need internet access.

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Sep 29, 2020 14:04:14   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I guess flickr and smugmug consider that raw files are not images
(a heated topic that arises from time to time, most recent one I've come across is at https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-667280-7.html#11606404 et seq., part of a raw/jpg discussion).


OR - they may just be concerned about the added storage space that raw files take up and that they may need to then deal with maintaining conversion algorithm’s for each xmp edit by every raw editor in use to enable display of the finished image vs a much smaller JPG file which is easily displayable with edits baked in?

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Sep 30, 2020 11:46:55   #
captainbinary
 
The offer from IDrive of 5TB for $3.48 for a whole year is hard to beat.
https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/best-picks/best-cloud-storage-2020

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Sep 30, 2020 12:06:28   #
bittermelon
 
IDrive Personal Plans are $69.50 (5TB) and $99.50 (10TB) per year. I don't see where you get $3.48 number.

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Sep 30, 2020 12:20:22   #
captainbinary
 
Right here:
https://www.idrive.com/idrive/signup/el/techradar3tb?subtag=tomsguide-gb-1066222755812863400

Perhaps it's only available in the UK.

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