3 Reasons why AI is NOT the future of Photo Processing!
Sep 20, 2020 11:52:13 #
It's still King with me. However, I treat digital with the same approach of craftsmanship. No, I didn't personally make the light in my enlarger nor the glass in the condenser and projections lenses, nor even the enlarger itself. I use them as tools. However, none of those things think and emotionally experience what they can do when used by me. I can. There are a lot of people making excuses for using the PHD approach. As was expressed in the video and in my synopsis of it, nothing beats hard work and experience. Something a lot of people seem to want to avoid. I certainly hope that some of us maintain an interest in craftsmanship to keep it alive and pertinent.
--Bob
--Bob
cameraf4 wrote:
Bob, remember when Film was King and we (some of us, anyway) used to laugh at PHD cameras (Push Here Dummy where cameras were supposed to "do all the work for you") as the Camera makers said? AI for computer post processing was just a foregone conclusion given our Convenience-store society. I admire the work that many photographers put into their art. But true craftmanship will, I fear, eventually go the way of the Dodo bird. Sad!
Sep 20, 2020 11:53:38 #
I have read the majority of the answers to this post Bob. I remember when I was using a handheld exposure meter and I resisted the idea of an exposure meter built in the camera body. I remember rangefinder cameras and what happened when SLR cameras began to show what they were capable of doing. It took me a while to begin using AF till I saw how fast and practical AF was. I was skeptical with mirrorless cameras and now I am a frequent user. Technology keeps on improving things!
I have two editors that have AI, Topaz Adjust AI and Topaz Denoise AI. I use both and I am sure I do not classify as an "artist." Adjust AI has saved more than one of my images. I use it often and I always modify some of its parameters to my taste. It is to me like exposing a photograph, variations to the exposure comes with taste and purpose.
I am no electric enginner or software designer but I am sure that AI will continue to evolve as its technology keeps on progressing.
I have two editors that have AI, Topaz Adjust AI and Topaz Denoise AI. I use both and I am sure I do not classify as an "artist." Adjust AI has saved more than one of my images. I use it often and I always modify some of its parameters to my taste. It is to me like exposing a photograph, variations to the exposure comes with taste and purpose.
I am no electric enginner or software designer but I am sure that AI will continue to evolve as its technology keeps on progressing.
Sep 20, 2020 11:56:21 #
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.
Sep 20, 2020 11:56:27 #
There was another example regarding a cattle farmers male offspring also in the cattle business. It was difficult for a computer to discern whether cattle was being discussed or a magnifying glass causing solar rays to converge to a point. The sons raise meet or the sun's rays meet.
--Bob
--Bob
srt101fan wrote:
Your comments reminded me of the old story of the early attempts to program computers to translate languages. The following sentence was used to test translation from English to Russian: "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak". The result was then translated back into English and came out as "the ghost is ready but the meat is rare"..... 😐
Sep 20, 2020 12:08:28 #
RonMe
Loc: San Antonio
rmalarz wrote:
I just happened upon a presentation by Blake Rudis... (show quote)
I for one am one of those folks referred to as an "average photographer" and I'm willing to try out new technological approaches to make my life easier. Not everyone is a pro nor is everyone inclined to spend a huge amount of time learning to use a sophisticated program such as Photoshop and other options on the market today. Likewise, not everyone has the time, or in my case, wants to spend the time needed to take such a time consuming approach. I for one am willing to make a small investment in the hope that something good will come of AI such as what appears to be the central theme of of Luminar AI. The market place will be the final arbiter. To each his/her own.
Sep 20, 2020 12:10:29 #
Delderby wrote:
As human ability created AI and what it can do, I fail to see how it goes "beyond human ability" 
You are right! Just like a calculator can do 2 plus 2 and that definitely not beyond human ability just beyond the ability of some people.
Sep 20, 2020 12:11:21 #
ROTFLMAO!!!
--Bob
--Bob
CHG_CANON wrote:
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.
Sep 20, 2020 12:12:56 #
OwlHarbor
Loc: Pacific North West USA
Interesting in that we are BI biological intelligence opposed to what we call AI artificial Intelligence. When a child comes to the point of understanding, making choices and decisions on its own and is curious the sentience has arrived until then it is running on DNA encoded instruction and being nurtured.by parent(s), grandparents, relatives or the foster system.
My first camera was a shoebox with film stuck to the back of the box and sealed. We were instructed to put a pin hole in the front of the box and pull out the pin for a short time and I don’t remember the exposure, but it seemed like forever. That is a simple as it gets not much mechanics, metering system or chip to help the camera make decisions depending on our choices or settings. I usually put my Canon 90D on P but occasionally on auto or manual depending on what I am doing, it’s not a shoebox.
Nikola Tesla thought when what we now use and understand the web that it would perhaps be AI as it would connect to that information and would be an entity of its own. Some scientists agree with that.
Science fiction often rides ahead of science and some of it provide hope while some fear in others.
Perhaps in the future we will be the camera and be able to record what we see and be able to share it. Medical invention continues to amaze and awe yet we are still a ways from what Sci-fi has to offer.
My first camera was a shoebox with film stuck to the back of the box and sealed. We were instructed to put a pin hole in the front of the box and pull out the pin for a short time and I don’t remember the exposure, but it seemed like forever. That is a simple as it gets not much mechanics, metering system or chip to help the camera make decisions depending on our choices or settings. I usually put my Canon 90D on P but occasionally on auto or manual depending on what I am doing, it’s not a shoebox.
Nikola Tesla thought when what we now use and understand the web that it would perhaps be AI as it would connect to that information and would be an entity of its own. Some scientists agree with that.
Science fiction often rides ahead of science and some of it provide hope while some fear in others.
Perhaps in the future we will be the camera and be able to record what we see and be able to share it. Medical invention continues to amaze and awe yet we are still a ways from what Sci-fi has to offer.
Sep 20, 2020 12:52:26 #
It seems that the thesis of Blake Rudis's argument is that moving a slider in e. g. Denoise AI is somehow less individually creative than moving one in Photoshop. Really?
Sep 20, 2020 12:56:22 #
Fear of P mode defeats more photographers than any other setting on their camera.
Sep 20, 2020 13:02:01 #
Jeff, that's sort of a leap. There is a significant difference between the photographer making adjustments via slider, etc. and letting programs, whether in a camera or computer make the decisions.
--Bob
--Bob
jefflane wrote:
It seems that the thesis of Blake Rudis's argument is that moving a slider in e. g. Denoise AI is somehow less individually creative than moving one in Photoshop. Really?
Sep 20, 2020 13:03:49 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.
But, He was the master manipulator of film and print processing. He was using his AI and documented it for the rest of the world to follow.
Sep 20, 2020 13:09:55 #
kenArchi
Loc: Seal Beach, CA
I am reading all this but I do not know what is AL .
Is it more for acomplished photographers. The only pp program I use is pse
Is it more for acomplished photographers. The only pp program I use is pse
Sep 20, 2020 13:11:29 #
Bob, it is not a leap at all. There are sliders in the Topaz AI programs. Moving them different distances gives different results. To my view your comment is like saying that when you move the shadows slider PS is "making the decision for you" of which pixels to brighten.
Sep 20, 2020 13:28:55 #
OwlHarbor
Loc: Pacific North West USA
kenArchi wrote:
I am reading all this but I do not know what is AL .
Is it more for acomplished photographers. The only pp program I use is pse
Is it more for acomplished photographers. The only pp program I use is pse
https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-is-ai-everything-you-need-to-know-about-artificial-intelligence/
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