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Sep 20, 2020 06:23:57   #
John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
 
Its about using AI and not let it make your decisions for you. You could use Luminars sky replacement to put a Milky Way behind a sunny day scene - or you could use it to isolate the sky and maybe use a grad. without it affecting the foreground in the picture.

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Sep 20, 2020 06:25:46   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
rmalarz wrote:
I just happened upon a presentation by Blake Rudis. For those of you unfamiliar with Blake, he owns f/64 Academy and presents techniques and practices that enhance processing photographs. This presentation focused on the use of AI.

His contention is that its use is up to the individual but there are consequences. Aren't there always?

AI is a new buzzword. There's always going to be the next best thing. There is always something to entice the average photographer to purchase new software. There will always be improvements otherwise there's no need to upgrade software. But, is AI the way of the future, Blake doesn't think so. He then presents 3 good points why.

1. AI is just a buzzword. It's nothing more than a buzzword to make folks think this is the future.

2. Absolutely nothing can replace handwork and experience. If one wants to be a true artist, one is going to want to spend the time making the best one can make. That instead of letting some artificial intelligence take over and do the work for you.

If one is jumping on the AI bandwagon, they are probably, at best, an average photographer. Any true artist-photographer is going to put in the hard work and personal experience to obtain the best photographs they can create. Artificial Intelligence just can't do that.

3. When one places their trust in AI what they are saying is they are letting some company determine the benchmark for their success.

Trying something and succeeding provides motivation to keep going. Trying something and failing leads to learning and betterment. Without the bedrock foundation of failure, one can't measure success.

Until AI can express the emotional experience of producing a beautiful photograph, it's not something on which to rely. It simply allows one to think they are a better photographer then reality will show.

This brings up the speed at which processing can be done. Sure the one-button approach to processing leads to more time of going out and clicking that shutter. I agree with Blake. Photography involves both making the exposure and making a photograph. If one is going to rely on AI to produce that photograph, one will never be any better than the software they use.

These are some of the points Blake made in his presentation. I agree with them. It might be the dividing line between being a photographer and being a button pusher.

If you're interested in Blake's presentation you can search for

Blake Rudis 3 Reasons why AI is NOT the future of Photo Processing!
--Bob
I just happened upon a presentation by Blake Rudis... (show quote)


Blake Rudis says "When one places their trust in AI what they are saying is they are letting some company determine the benchmark for their success".

Yes - I agree 100% - but the very photo pundits that expound the virtues of AI are the ones who denigrate SOOC and JPG photographers for accepting the tastes of a techie half way round the world.

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Sep 20, 2020 06:27:14   #
Mike Hardisty Loc: North Wales
 
The couple of photographers I have seen decry AI have something to lose if more and more people turn away from traditional post processing tools like Photoshop and Lightroom. They sell courses, presets, training etc so it's in their best interests to make sure AI does not succeed.

I only post to FB and my blog nowadays, I no longer sell photographs. So if a piece of software comes along that produces a reasonably good starting point, that I can tweak, then I'm certainly going to give it a try

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Sep 20, 2020 06:37:54   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
PixelStan77 wrote:
Bob, Sorry to differ with you. Look at the medical field. Very complex and varied but today hospitals and doctors are using AI to aid them in patient cures. In fact one hospital using it was told that they did not consider X for the patient.
Today law firms no longer have law libraries. They use AI to assist them.
Sliders and masks are one form of adjustment we use. We shall see what the future will hold.


Your thought processes here are scew wiff - hospitals and doctors do not use AI to replace lungs and livers etc - they do it themselves. Unlike photographers who replace skies etc and do not do it themselves.

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Sep 20, 2020 06:43:28   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Bob,

I find most of the answers funny...

How many folks here take the time to learn the software they use? How many use canned solutions under the form of add-ons?

Then how many depend on a camera P, S and A mode as well as Auto ISO, AutoWB and auto-focus?

All the mentioned above do not have the 'AI' buzz words but are part of it. Delegating any control to a camera or software for any reason is already giving up too much!!!

So AI?


Ha ha - how many folks here take the time to learn the software in the cameras they use?

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Sep 20, 2020 06:55:58   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
rmalarz wrote:
I just happened upon a presentation by Blake Rudis. For those of you unfamiliar with Blake, he owns f/64 Academy and presents techniques and practices that enhance processing photographs. This presentation focused on the use of AI.

His contention is that its use is up to the individual but there are consequences. Aren't there always?

AI is a new buzzword. There's always going to be the next best thing. There is always something to entice the average photographer to purchase new software. There will always be improvements otherwise there's no need to upgrade software. But, is AI the way of the future, Blake doesn't think so. He then presents 3 good points why.

1. AI is just a buzzword. It's nothing more than a buzzword to make folks think this is the future.

2. Absolutely nothing can replace handwork and experience. If one wants to be a true artist, one is going to want to spend the time making the best one can make. That instead of letting some artificial intelligence take over and do the work for you.

If one is jumping on the AI bandwagon, they are probably, at best, an average photographer. Any true artist-photographer is going to put in the hard work and personal experience to obtain the best photographs they can create. Artificial Intelligence just can't do that.

3. When one places their trust in AI what they are saying is they are letting some company determine the benchmark for their success.

Trying something and succeeding provides motivation to keep going. Trying something and failing leads to learning and betterment. Without the bedrock foundation of failure, one can't measure success.

Until AI can express the emotional experience of producing a beautiful photograph, it's not something on which to rely. It simply allows one to think they are a better photographer then reality will show.

This brings up the speed at which processing can be done. Sure the one-button approach to processing leads to more time of going out and clicking that shutter. I agree with Blake. Photography involves both making the exposure and making a photograph. If one is going to rely on AI to produce that photograph, one will never be any better than the software they use.

These are some of the points Blake made in his presentation. I agree with them. It might be the dividing line between being a photographer and being a button pusher.

If you're interested in Blake's presentation you can search for

Blake Rudis 3 Reasons why AI is NOT the future of Photo Processing!
--Bob
I just happened upon a presentation by Blake Rudis... (show quote)



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Sep 20, 2020 07:16:54   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
True. This is not the future, and it never will be. All we have is the present, and that doesn't last very long.

Don't underrate AI. Aside from photo processing, it goes way beyond human ability, and it will play an increasingly major role in our lives.

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Sep 20, 2020 07:43:22   #
Red6
 
All great arguments. But these types of arguments have been made for hundreds of years against the advance of technology. Arguments such as, steam will never replace sails for ships, cars or tractors will never replace horses, men will never fly, and the internet/online services will never replace brick and mortar stores.

An argument heard a lot in the 1980's and 1990's was that digital would never replace film in photography. Yes, I know film is not dead and is seeing a resurgence, but economically, it appears to be but a bit player in overall photography today and I see very few big camera companies pushing their film equipment ahead of digital. Also, I am sure that many older film photographers in pre-digital days would view the use of photo-editing software today to be unnatural and not professional in some way since issues can be fixed with software methods unavailable in film post-processing.

Most of the population have little comprehension or understanding of how much computers are involved in their daily lives now. In fact almost every aspect of our lives are touched or controlled by computers in some way. Our shopping, banking, driving, dining, flying, communications, entertainment, and many other aspects of our lives are under the subtle influence or control of a computer or microprocessor.

AI is just another way of programming computers. Yes, it is being over-hyped but it is here and here to stay. AI is already making decisions in your life whether you believe in it or not.

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Sep 20, 2020 07:45:22   #
SonyBug
 
rmalarz wrote:
I just happened upon a presentation by Blake Rudis. For those of you unfamiliar with Blake, he owns f/64 Academy and presents techniques and practices that enhance processing photographs. This presentation focused on the use of AI.

His contention is that its use is up to the individual but there are consequences. Aren't there always?

AI is a new buzzword. There's always going to be the next best thing. There is always something to entice the average photographer to purchase new software. There will always be improvements otherwise there's no need to upgrade software. But, is AI the way of the future, Blake doesn't think so. He then presents 3 good points why.

1. AI is just a buzzword. It's nothing more than a buzzword to make folks think this is the future.

2. Absolutely nothing can replace handwork and experience. If one wants to be a true artist, one is going to want to spend the time making the best one can make. That instead of letting some artificial intelligence take over and do the work for you.

If one is jumping on the AI bandwagon, they are probably, at best, an average photographer. Any true artist-photographer is going to put in the hard work and personal experience to obtain the best photographs they can create. Artificial Intelligence just can't do that.

3. When one places their trust in AI what they are saying is they are letting some company determine the benchmark for their success.

Trying something and succeeding provides motivation to keep going. Trying something and failing leads to learning and betterment. Without the bedrock foundation of failure, one can't measure success.

Until AI can express the emotional experience of producing a beautiful photograph, it's not something on which to rely. It simply allows one to think they are a better photographer then reality will show.

This brings up the speed at which processing can be done. Sure the one-button approach to processing leads to more time of going out and clicking that shutter. I agree with Blake. Photography involves both making the exposure and making a photograph. If one is going to rely on AI to produce that photograph, one will never be any better than the software they use.

These are some of the points Blake made in his presentation. I agree with them. It might be the dividing line between being a photographer and being a button pusher.

If you're interested in Blake's presentation you can search for

Blake Rudis 3 Reasons why AI is NOT the future of Photo Processing!
--Bob
I just happened upon a presentation by Blake Rudis... (show quote)


What the elitist photographers do not account for is that some people will never have the talent to become an artist. For those people the AI will be better that they will ever be, and therefore AI will give them enjoyment they could not otherwise have. But, are they any worse a person than the elititist photographer, I think not.

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Sep 20, 2020 08:06:32   #
joseph premanandan
 
rmalarz wrote:
I just happened upon a presentation by Blake Rudis. For those of you unfamiliar with Blake, he owns f/64 Academy and presents techniques and practices that enhance processing photographs. This presentation focused on the use of AI.

His contention is that its use is up to the individual but there are consequences. Aren't there always?

AI is a new buzzword. There's always going to be the next best thing. There is always something to entice the average photographer to purchase new software. There will always be improvements otherwise there's no need to upgrade software. But, is AI the way of the future, Blake doesn't think so. He then presents 3 good points why.

1. AI is just a buzzword. It's nothing more than a buzzword to make folks think this is the future.

2. Absolutely nothing can replace handwork and experience. If one wants to be a true artist, one is going to want to spend the time making the best one can make. That instead of letting some artificial intelligence take over and do the work for you.

If one is jumping on the AI bandwagon, they are probably, at best, an average photographer. Any true artist-photographer is going to put in the hard work and personal experience to obtain the best photographs they can create. Artificial Intelligence just can't do that.

3. When one places their trust in AI what they are saying is they are letting some company determine the benchmark for their success.

Trying something and succeeding provides motivation to keep going. Trying something and failing leads to learning and betterment. Without the bedrock foundation of failure, one can't measure success.

Until AI can express the emotional experience of producing a beautiful photograph, it's not something on which to rely. It simply allows one to think they are a better photographer then reality will show.

This brings up the speed at which processing can be done. Sure the one-button approach to processing leads to more time of going out and clicking that shutter. I agree with Blake. Photography involves both making the exposure and making a photograph. If one is going to rely on AI to produce that photograph, one will never be any better than the software they use.

These are some of the points Blake made in his presentation. I agree with them. It might be the dividing line between being a photographer and being a button pusher.

If you're interested in Blake's presentation you can search for

Blake Rudis 3 Reasons why AI is NOT the future of Photo Processing!
--Bob
I just happened upon a presentation by Blake Rudis... (show quote)


nobody says AI replaces hard work, a famous photographer once said that postprocessing makes a good photo a better one.Postprocessing including AI does not make a good photo out of a bad photo.Taking a good photo requires hard work including following a proper exposure triangle,proper focusing,proper symmetry and postprocessing makes the photography an art. that is my humble opinion

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Sep 20, 2020 08:12:44   #
CaptainPhoto
 
OK - so how to you sharpen and denoise a photo to the extent of AI programs without AI programs? What Blake is saying is his opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

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Sep 20, 2020 08:14:29   #
joseph premanandan
 
SonyBug wrote:
What the elitist photographers do not account for is that some people will never have the talent to become an artist. For those people the AI will be better that they will ever be, and therefore AI will give them enjoyment they could not otherwise have. But, are they any worse a person than the elititist photographer, I think not.


that is a terrible thing to say.the elitist photographers are wrong.that appears to be a self righteous, sanctimonious, holier than thou, know it all attitude and that is wrong.All people have the God given talent to become an artist if one choose to.Let us not assume too much of a high road for ourselves.

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Sep 20, 2020 08:15:55   #
joseph premanandan
 
Red6 wrote:
All great arguments. But these types of arguments have been made for hundreds of years against the advance of technology. Arguments such as, steam will never replace sails for ships, cars or tractors will never replace horses, men will never fly, and the internet/online services will never replace brick and mortar stores.

An argument heard a lot in the 1980's and 1990's was that digital would never replace film in photography. Yes, I know film is not dead and is seeing a resurgence, but economically, it appears to be but a bit player in overall photography today and I see very few big camera companies pushing their film equipment ahead of digital. Also, I am sure that many older film photographers in pre-digital days would view the use of photo-editing software today to be unnatural and not professional in some way since issues can be fixed with software methods unavailable in film post-processing.

Most of the population have little comprehension or understanding of how much computers are involved in their daily lives now. In fact almost every aspect of our lives are touched or controlled by computers in some way. Our shopping, banking, driving, dining, flying, communications, entertainment, and many other aspects of our lives are under the subtle influence or control of a computer or microprocessor.

AI is just another way of programming computers. Yes, it is being over-hyped but it is here and here to stay. AI is already making decisions in your life whether you believe in it or not.
All great arguments. But these types of arguments... (show quote)


i totally agree.

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Sep 20, 2020 08:19:07   #
joseph premanandan
 
CaptainPhoto wrote:
OK - so how to you sharpen and denoise a photo to the extent of AI programs without AI programs? What Blake is saying is his opinion. So take it for what it's worth.


i am giving my opinion and i have the right to my opinion and so take it for what it's worth.

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Sep 20, 2020 08:48:50   #
ygelman Loc: new -- North of Poughkeepsie!
 
Rongnongno wrote:
. . .
How many folks here take the time to learn the software they use? How many use canned solutions under the form of add-ons?
. . . how many depend on a camera P, S and A mode as well as Auto ISO, AutoWB and auto-focus?
. . . Delegating any control to a camera or software for any reason is already giving up too much!!! . . .

The point is that AI is a tool. Tools are meant to be used correctly -- meaning that sometimes it should not be used.
.

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