Noisy pic and blurred even with an external flash
Aug 28, 2020 11:18:30 #
Aug 28, 2020 11:28:07 #
cony25 wrote:
What happened, please help!!!
Because of your very high ISO
ISO 6400
Aug 28, 2020 11:28:27 #
Your initial settings. Auto, 1/20, 4.0, ISO 6400 pretty much says it all. 1/20sec allows for movement in such a bright scene, ISO 6400 is way too high.
I'm not a Canon guy, but I'm sure someone will wade in & explain how to set up your camera with the flash.
I'm not a Canon guy, but I'm sure someone will wade in & explain how to set up your camera with the flash.
Aug 28, 2020 11:37:03 #
Oh crap, I expected the auto to do it all....what IS0 would you recommended? I noticed the shutter was very slow...or overall what three settings would you have done?
Aug 28, 2020 11:46:49 #
1/20 sec is too slow to freeze motion of people in a candid setting. ISO-6400 is pretty high for most any DSLR. The camera data says the flash didn't fire.
Consider a few points in the EXIF data and some technique adjustments:
1. Don't use AI Focus AF. The manual makes this AF option to seem like the best of all worlds, but actually it's the worst. Use Single-Shot or AI Servo AF.
2. If you have other shots from this setting with the flash active, make sure you have fresh batteries so the flash refreshes as fast as possible.
3. Consider 1/30 as the minimum for people if you can get them to 'freeze', consider 1/60 to 1/120 for freezing more candid shots of people.
4. If using a speedlight with the ability to manually control the flash output, work in Manual Exposure and practice finding the manual flash output setting in the 1/4 to 1/16 range that just provides the necessary fill-light. By lowering the flash output from 1/1 (100% full-power), the speedlight will recharge nearly instantaneously.
Consider a few points in the EXIF data and some technique adjustments:
1. Don't use AI Focus AF. The manual makes this AF option to seem like the best of all worlds, but actually it's the worst. Use Single-Shot or AI Servo AF.
2. If you have other shots from this setting with the flash active, make sure you have fresh batteries so the flash refreshes as fast as possible.
3. Consider 1/30 as the minimum for people if you can get them to 'freeze', consider 1/60 to 1/120 for freezing more candid shots of people.
4. If using a speedlight with the ability to manually control the flash output, work in Manual Exposure and practice finding the manual flash output setting in the 1/4 to 1/16 range that just provides the necessary fill-light. By lowering the flash output from 1/1 (100% full-power), the speedlight will recharge nearly instantaneously.
Aug 28, 2020 12:30:25 #
cony25 wrote:
Oh crap, I expected the auto to do it all....what IS0 would you recommended? I noticed the shutter was very slow...or overall what three settings would you have done?
The fact is that the subject was not in bright light. The camera was in auto. The shutter speed of 1/20 was rather long to eliminate any motion. To get the the people better, a flash would have helped. (The background would come out dark that way). The EXIF data indicates flash was off. I don't know if the camera would have shortened the speed unless you forced it with S or M modes.
Aug 28, 2020 12:44:23 #
Thank you Rubin and CHG, that was very helpful. I did notice the shutter was very slow..I had to hold the camera steady which sometimes it does not work, the subject kept moving on me as well.
Aug 28, 2020 14:28:56 #
Flash sync default of the 80D is 1/250 @ ISO-400. The 80D also does "high speed sync" for the use of higher shutter speeds - it will shorten the effective range of the flash.
I use an 80D as one of my three Canon bodies. Mine is almost always paired with a Tamron 150-600 G2 on a tripod with gimbal head to shoot birds in the back yard around my feeders and birdbaths out the family room door. I often use a Yongnuo clone of the Canon 600 flash (sometimes with a "better beamer") for small birds in the yard. Esp in the late afternoon light or on cloudy days.
Your exif indicates your flash was not enabled.
What flash do you have and what camera setting were you using "Auto, Program, Manual etc."
I use an 80D as one of my three Canon bodies. Mine is almost always paired with a Tamron 150-600 G2 on a tripod with gimbal head to shoot birds in the back yard around my feeders and birdbaths out the family room door. I often use a Yongnuo clone of the Canon 600 flash (sometimes with a "better beamer") for small birds in the yard. Esp in the late afternoon light or on cloudy days.
Your exif indicates your flash was not enabled.
What flash do you have and what camera setting were you using "Auto, Program, Manual etc."
Aug 28, 2020 14:32:51 #
Forgot, here is a short easy to understand digest of 80D settings from PhotographyLife. They have a lot of good stuff linked from their site.
https://photographylife.com/recommended-canon-80d-settings
https://photographylife.com/recommended-canon-80d-settings
Aug 28, 2020 15:04:37 #
Aug 28, 2020 15:21:45 #
cony25 wrote:
Thank you Robertjerl. I will check the link out.
you are welcome
Aug 29, 2020 07:25:05 #
Muddyvalley wrote:
Your initial settings. Auto, 1/20, 4.0, ISO 6400 pretty much says it all. 1/20sec allows for movement in such a bright scene, ISO 6400 is way too high.
I'm not a Canon guy, but I'm sure someone will wade in & explain how to set up your camera with the flash.
I'm not a Canon guy, but I'm sure someone will wade in & explain how to set up your camera with the flash.
How were you able to find out tat information?
Aug 29, 2020 09:04:21 #
Canon Digital Photo Professional will read the EXIF data on Canon RAW (CRW, CR2, CR3) and SOC Jpegs produced by any Canon camera. Nikon View, will do the same for Nikon RAW (NEF) files.
Although, CHG Canon is right on about the settings, the photo was shot using Scene Intelligent Auto mode. AKA Green Box mode. In this mode, Canon cameras, that are equipped with a built in flash, won't work with an external flash. Putting anything in the hot shoe disables the pop-up feature of the build in flash. So the camera's AI chose the best exposure settings for a night portrait without flash. I think it's a pretty good shot considering the conditions, but does not show off the capabilities of the camera or lens used.
Although, CHG Canon is right on about the settings, the photo was shot using Scene Intelligent Auto mode. AKA Green Box mode. In this mode, Canon cameras, that are equipped with a built in flash, won't work with an external flash. Putting anything in the hot shoe disables the pop-up feature of the build in flash. So the camera's AI chose the best exposure settings for a night portrait without flash. I think it's a pretty good shot considering the conditions, but does not show off the capabilities of the camera or lens used.
Aug 29, 2020 09:12:54 #
Aug 29, 2020 09:15:37 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
1/20 sec is too slow to freeze motion of people in... (show quote)
Great info but adding flash opens a whole new realm of learning and experiment. Simpler is better at this stage IMHO.
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