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Aug 18, 2020 07:31:48   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
LWW wrote:
So it is based on what you believe and not truth or fact.

Here's is a little truth and fact:

- The KKK was founded by a democrat.

- A democrat appointed a KKK member to the SCOTUS.

- The democrats elected a KKK Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops to the house in 1952, 1954 and 1956 and to the senate in 1958, 1964, 1970, 1976, 1983, 1988, 1994, 2000 and 2006.

- Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton declared said KLeagle to be her mentor and 'THE CONSCIENCE OF THE US SENATE!'

- The KKK endorsed Clinton-Gore.
So it is based on what you believe and not truth o... (show quote)

This is old history. The KKK became Republicans, along with most other White Southerners, in recent years.

The fact is that the President said “There are good people on both sides” just after KKK involvement in riots just after the 2016 elections.

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Aug 18, 2020 07:34:22   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
rehess wrote:
This is old history. The KKK became Republicans, along with most other White Southerners, in recent years.

The fact is that the President said “There are good people on both sides” just after KKK involvement in riots just after the 2016 elections.


1 - No they didn't.

2 - That quote has been disproven as out of context spoon fed Madcow jibba jabba designed to feed the raw meat of hate to the dumb masses ad nauseam. Read the transcript or remain ignorant.

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Aug 18, 2020 07:35:32   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
LWW wrote:
And the local Bidet is all butthurt over truth and fact again.


Gee, again referencing someones posterior end. Shame, shame. Were they rough with you at the gym today. Did you run out of the salve you so often tout. Continue singing your theme song. Or hummmmmmm along if it makes you happier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k

Poor little fruit fly...

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Aug 18, 2020 07:37:14   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
LWW wrote:
1 - No they didn't.

2 - That quote has been disproven ad nauseam. Read the transcript or remain ignorant.

I heard him and his spokespeople on live TV.

Not “alternate truth” - I will not discuss this further.

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Aug 18, 2020 07:46:24   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
rehess wrote:
I heard him and his spokespeople on live TV.

Not “alternate truth”.


You are proving my point.

The nattering nabobs of negativism took a few words out of context and spoon fed it to you.

Again, read the transcript of what he said that day, or remain ignorant of truth and fact. Its up to you.

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Aug 18, 2020 07:59:58   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
rehess wrote:
I heard him and his spokespeople on live TV.

Not “alternate truth” - I will not discuss this further.


And since I know by know that you lack the integrity to learn truth and fact, here is what was actually said:

"REPORTER: Why did you wait so long to denounce neo-Nazis?

TRUMP: I didn't wait long. I didn’t wait long. I didn’t wait long. I wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct, not make a quick statement. The statement I made on Saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement, but you don't make statements that direct unless you know the fact. And it takes a little while to get the facts. You still don't know the facts. And it is a very, very important process to me. It is a very important statement. So I don't want to go quickly and just make a statement for the sake of making a political statement. I want to know the facts. If you go back to my statement, in fact I brought it. I brought it.

As I said on remember this, Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in America. And then I went on from there. Now here is the thing. Excuse me, excuse me. Take it nice and easy. Here is the thing, when I make a statement, I like to be correct. I want the facts. This event just happened. A lot of the event didn't happen yet as we were speaking. This event just happened. Before I make a statement, I need the facts, so I don't want to rush into a statement. So making the statement when I made it was excellent. In fact, the young woman who I hear is a fantastic young woman and it was on NBC, her mother wrote me and said through I guess Twitter, social media, the nicest things, and I very much appreciated that. I hear she was a fine, really actually an incredible young woman, but her mother on Twitter, thanked me for what I said. Honestly, if the press were not fake and if it was honest, the press would have said what I said was very nice. – excuse me – unlike you and unlike the media, before I make a statement, I like to know the facts.

REPORTERS YELLING INDISTINCTLY

TRUMP: They didn’t, they didn’t. They don’t.

REPORTERS CONTINUE YELLING INDISTINCTLY

TRUMP: How about, how about, how about a couple of infrastructure questions.

REPORTER: Was that terrorism?

TRUMP: Say it, what?

REPORTER: The CEO of Walmart said you missed a critical opportunity to help bring the country together. Did you?

TRUMP: Not at all. I think the country -- look, you take a look. I've created over a million jobs since I have been president. The country is booming, the stock market is setting record, we have the highest employment numbers we’ve ever had in the history of our country. We are doing record business. We have the highest levels of enthusiasm, so the head of Walmart, who I know, who’s a very nice guy, was making a political statement. I mean, I would do it the same way, you know why? Because I want to make sure when I make a statement that the statement is correct. And there was no way – no way – of making a correct statement that early. I had to see the facts, unlike a lot of reporters, unlike a lot of reporter.

I didn't know David Duke was there. I wanted to see the facts. And the facts, as they started coming out, were very well-stated. In fact, everybody said his statement was beautiful. If he would have made it sooner, that would have been good. I couldn't have made it sooner, because I didn't know all of the facts. Frankly, people still don't know all of the facts. It was very important – excuse me, excuse me. It was very important to me to get the facts out and correctly. Because if I would have made a fast statement and the first statement was made without knowing much other than what we were seeing. The second statement was made after it with knowledge, with great knowledge. There are still things – excuse me. There are still things that people don't know. I want to make a statement with knowledge, I wanted to know the facts, okay.

REPORTER: Two questions: was this terrorism? And can you tell us how you are feeling about your Chief Strategist Steve Bannon?

TRUMP: I think the driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family and this country. And that is – you can call it terrorism, you can call it murder. You can call it whatever you want. I would just call it as the fastest one to come up with a good verdict. That’s what I’d call it. And there is a question. Is it murder? Is it terrorism? Then you get into legal semantics. The driver of the car is a murderer, and what he did was a horrible, horrible, inexcusable thing.

REPORTER: Can you tell us how you are feeling about your chief strategist, Mr. Bannon? Can you talk about that?

REPORTER: Steve Bannon --

TRUMP: I never spoke to Mr. Bannon about it.

REPORTER: Can you tell us broadly about – do you still have confidence in Steve?

TRUMP: Well, we’ll see. And look, look, I like Mr. Bannon. He is a friend of mine, but Mr. Bannon came on very late. You know that. I went through 17 senators, governors and I won all the primaries. Mr. Bannon came on very much later than that, and I like him. He is a good man. He is not a racist – I can tell you that. He is a good person, he actually gets very unfair press in that regard. We'll see what happens with Mr. Bannon. He’s a good person, and I think the press treats him frankly very unfairly.

REPORTER: They have called on you to defend your national security adviser H.R. McMaster against these attacks.

TRUMP: I did that before. Senator McCain? Senator McCain. You mean the one that voted against Obamacare? Who is Senator McCain? You mean senator McCain who voted against us getting good health care?

REPORTER: Senator McCain said that the alt-right is behind these attacks, and he linked that same group to those that perpetrated the attack in Charlottesville.


TRUMP: Well, I don't know. I can't tell you. I'm sure Senator McCain must know what he is talking about, but when you say the alt-right, define alt-right to me. You define it. Go ahead. Define it for me, come on, let's go.

REPORTER: Senator McCain defined them as the same group.

TRUMP: Okay, what about the alt-left that came charging at [indiscernible] – excuse me – what about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt right? Do they have any semblance of guilt?

REPORTERS YELL INDISTINCTLY

TRUMP: What about this? What about the fact that they came charging – they came charging with clubs in their hands swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do.

REPORTERS YELL INDISTINCTLY

TRUMP: As far as I’m concerned, that was a horrible, horrible day. Wait a minute, I'm not finished. I'm not finished, fake news. That was a horrible day.

REPORTERS YELL INDISTINCTLY

TRUMP: I will tell you something. I watched those very closely, much more closely than you people watched it. And you had, you had a group on one side that was bad. And you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but I'll say it right now. You had a group – you had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit, and they were very, very violent.

REPORTER: Do you think what you call the alt left is the same as neo-Nazis?

TRUMP: Those people – all of those people, excuse me – I've condemned neo-Nazis. I've condemned many different groups, but not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch.

REPORTER: Well, white nationalists –

TRUMP: Those people were also there, because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue Robert E. Lee. So – excuse me – and you take a look at some of the groups and you see, and you’d know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you’re not. Many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. So this week, it’s Robert E. Lee, I noticed that Stonewall Jackson’s coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after. You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop? (AND THAT HAPPENED - ADDED BY ME)

REPORTERS YELL INDISTINCTLY

TRUMP: But, they were there to protest – excuse me – you take a look the night before, they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. Infrastructure question. Go ahead.

REPORTER: Does the statue of Robert E. Lee stay up?

TRUMP: I would say that’s up to a local town, community or the federal government, depending on where it is located.

REPORTER: Are you against the Confederacy?

REPORTER: On race relations in America, do you think things have gotten worse or better since you took office with regard to race relationships?

TRUMP: I think they’ve gotten better or the same – look – they have been frayed for a long time, and you can ask President Obama about that, because he’d make speeches about it. I believe that the fact that I brought in, it will be soon, millions of jobs, you see where companies are moving back into our country. I think that's going to have a tremendous positive impact on race relations. We have companies coming back into our country. We have two car companies that just announced. We have Foxconn in Wisconsin just announced. We have many companies, I’d say, pouring back into the country. I think that's going to have a huge, positive impact on race relations. You know why? It is jobs. What people want now, they want jobs. They want great jobs with good pay. And when they have that, you watch how race relations will be. And I’ll tell you, we’re spending a lot of money on the inner cities – we are fixing the inner cities – we are doing far more than anybody has done with respect to the inner cities. It is a priority for me, and it’s very important.

REPORTER: Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?

TRUMP: I am not putting anybody on a moral plane, what I’m saying is this: you had a group on one side and a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You’ve just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that's the way it is.

REPORTER: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides?

TRUMP: I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don't have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.

REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. ..."

And as anyone who reads this can plainly see, the public was spoon fed one line which ... out of contest ... presents a totally dishonest interpretation of what was actually said.

FAKE NEWS doesn't require a lie, the omission of the truth is often enough.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/15/full-text-trump-comments-white-supremacists-alt-left-transcript-241662

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Aug 18, 2020 08:33:15   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
srt101fan wrote:
Good topic with interesting questions. For me, like with other issues these days, the facts are elusive.

I understand the difference between absentee voting and general mail-in voting. I believe several (5?) states have had mail-in voting for some time without significant fraud. So, why can't other states adopt what these five states have been doing?

The argument that the Post Office can't handle the mail-in volume seems weak at best. Would election-time mail volume be worse than Christmas-time card and package volume?

If the Post Office financial situation is bad enough to warrant cutbacks in service, why do it this close to election time? Why not provide funding to get us past the elections and then do the restructuring considered necessary?

Serious responses, preferably with references to source material, would be very much appreciated! 😐
Good topic with interesting questions. For me, li... (show quote)


The post office could easily handle an extra 150 million pieces of mail spread out over a ver weeks. The problem is the administration’s efforts to thwart mail delivery too disrupt voting by mail. .

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Aug 18, 2020 08:38:47   #
OlinBost Loc: Marietta, Ga.
 
47greyfox wrote:
My concern is not with mail in voting but the ability of states to get it right in such a short period of time. Here, in Colorado, we have a rock solid system that is recognized nationwide. It didn't happen overnight, but rather about 10 years of minor stumbling before making it unquestionably secure. I personally will be voting by mail but admit that the wack job organizations like QAnon, not to mention the White House's current temporary occupant, will have a field day. What I find amusing at the same time is that Trump isn't smart enough to realize that he probably benefits by mail in voting himself.
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You hit the right nail. The main issue is with the states getting their act together not the Post Office.

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Aug 18, 2020 08:39:43   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
LWW wrote:
So it is based on what you believe and not truth or fact.

Here's is a little truth and fact:

- The KKK was founded by a democrat.

- A democrat appointed a KKK member to the SCOTUS.

- The democrats elected a KKK Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops to the house in 1952, 1954 and 1956 and to the senate in 1958, 1964, 1970, 1976, 1983, 1988, 1994, 2000 and 2006.

- Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton declared said KLeagle to be her mentor and 'THE CONSCIENCE OF THE US SENATE!'

- The KKK endorsed Clinton-Gore.
So it is based on what you believe and not truth o... (show quote)


Well before the Civil Rights act, which was driven by the Democrats. There was a big shift in the parties in the ‘60s. That’s why the South that was largely run by Democrats is now largely run by Republicans. To go back 100 years and equate that to the parties today is laughable.

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Aug 18, 2020 09:59:38   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Just wondering how many out there believe that the current Postal situation is truly a conspiracy? It seems like the liberal news media is really pushing it as a direct attempt by Trump to take down mail in voting. While he has expressed his concerns about wide spread, mail in voting, the liberals seem to see his appointment of a new Post Master General as a direct assault on the concept. They also state that his concerns over an increased chance of voter fraud with massive mail in votes are unfounded. Frankly, I think the history of fraud with "Absentee Ballots" has been pretty well established with past elections having multiple ballot issues, votes from deceased citizens, and folks submitting their mail in votes and still voting at the polls. Personally, I think Trump has honest concerns about possible voter fraud that we should all be concerned about, not to mention the future viability of the Postal Service in general.

Anyway, the Postal system has been losing billions of dollars a year for quite some time and the fact that the new Post Master is trying to reel in costs by eliminating overtime, cutting manpower and equipment costs, etc. seems rather straight forward to me. I guess the timing might be a bit off with the election looming, but I surely don't believe that his appointment is a direct attempt to sabbotage mail in voting. In any case, I would like to start a reasonable discussion about this situation if that is possible and I will be voting at the Polls if I have to wear a body condom to do so!
Just wondering how many out there believe that the... (show quote)


Here in Oregon, our ballots are mailed to us. We don’t mail them back. We hand deliver them to ballot boxes that are placed at fire stations, libraries, court houses, police stations.... why the beef over the usps?

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Aug 18, 2020 09:59:46   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
rehess wrote:
This is old history. The KKK became Republicans, along with most other White Southerners, in recent years.

The fact is that the President said “There are good people on both sides” just after KKK involvement in riots just after the 2016 elections.


Do you know how you know when someone is unfairly maligned as a racist? When you have to use as your only evidence just one thing a person has said that may have an equivocal meaning. You may have to look up a few of these words.

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Aug 18, 2020 10:15:19   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Well before the Civil Rights act, which was driven by the Democrats. There was a big shift in the parties in the ‘60s. That’s why the South that was largely run by Democrats is now largely run by Republicans. To go back 100 years and equate that to the parties today is laughable.


Not really.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.countable.us/articles/17557-fact-check-republicans-voted-civil-rights-act-percentage-democrats-did.amp

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Aug 18, 2020 10:17:01   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Do you know how you know when someone is unfairly maligned as a racist? When you have to use as your only evidence just one thing a person has said that may have an equivocal meaning. You may have to look up a few of these words.


I offered him truth and fact, which he refused to do on his own, and then by his own admission he has no interest in discussing.

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Aug 18, 2020 12:53:08   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
rehess wrote:
That is exactly how mail-in voting works. You request a ballot, fill it in and sign it, then mail it back.


Here in Ca. we get the ballots without requesting. I am alone now but I will get 4 ballots, one for the wife, 2 for relatives that no longer reside here and one for myself. Wow that means I get 4 votes if I feel like like it.

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Aug 18, 2020 12:57:03   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 


Missing the point. In the years since the Republican Party has shifted away from cilc rights and the Democrats have shifted towards it.

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