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The True Coronavirus Toll in the U.S. Has Already Surpassed 200,000
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Aug 14, 2020 02:24:34   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
thom w wrote:
Evidence please


Do your own home work. Hell I read two people went to the hospital...waited, was never tested and
were called days later to be informed they have the wuhan flu.

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Aug 14, 2020 10:16:00   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Gee, are there more deaths than the death count of abortions?

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Aug 14, 2020 10:17:31   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
I predict that if a Democrat is elected, the daily onslaught of Covid 19 news will go away, even if a vaccine isn't available...

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Aug 14, 2020 10:27:53   #
Rose42
 
yhtomit wrote:
Do your own home work. Hell I read two people went to the hospital...waited, was never tested and
were called days later to be informed they have the wuhan flu.


This has happened to quite a few people.

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Aug 14, 2020 14:28:58   #
incognito
 
Yea we need to blame Trump for everything. My Nephew lives in Denmark, He went to a cardiology appointment the other day at the hospital. Nobody was wearing a mask. Not even the nurses. Also schools have reopened with no problems. Orange man strikes again.

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Aug 14, 2020 14:52:41   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
yhtomit wrote:
You could die for a multitude of reasons, but if your eviscerated, decapitated and mashed beyond recognition in a motor cycle accident, and had the wuhan flu in your system, the cause death would be recorded as the wuhan flu. You are posting political science here, not science.


How many of those do you actually think occurred?

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Aug 14, 2020 14:53:34   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
incognito wrote:
Yea we need to blame Trump for everything. My Nephew lives in Denmark, He went to a cardiology appointment the other day at the hospital. Nobody was wearing a mask. Not even the nurses. Also schools have reopened with no problems. Orange man strikes again.


So, what your are saying is that Denmark is in better shape than Florida.

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Aug 14, 2020 15:05:43   #
incognito
 
Nope just noting that wearing a mask is not going to help you get your panties untwisted. There is so much misinformation that you don't know who to believe. The only thing that holds water is that sooner or later we are all going to die. That includes you also.

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Aug 14, 2020 15:05:59   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Yeah, that lockdown sure killed a bunch of people.


It probably killed more than the virus.

"The indirect effect of the pandemic—deaths caused by the social and economic responses to the pandemic, including lockdowns—delayed needed medical care because people were instructed to shelter in place, were too scared to go to the doctor, or were unable to obtain care because of limitations on available care, including a moratorium on elective procedures. These conditions did not become any less lethal as a result of the pandemic; rather, people simply died from acute illnesses that would have been treated in normal times.
Deaths from chronic, non-emergent conditions also increased as patients put off maintenance visits and their medical conditions deteriorated.

The Lockdown contributed to large proportional increases in deaths from non-respiratory underlying causes, including diabetes (96 percent), heart diseases (89 percent), Alzheimer’s disease (64 percent), and cerebrovascular diseases (35 percent). New York City—the nation’s Covid-19 epicenter during that period—experienced the largest increases in non-respiratory deaths, notably from heart disease (398 percent) and diabetes (356 percent).

Cancer diagnoses were delayed for months as patients were unable to obtain “elective” screening procedures. For some, this will result in more advanced disease.

Most studies in a systematic literature review found a positive association between economic recession and increased suicides. Data from the 2008 Great Recession showed a strong positive correlation between increasing unemployment and increasing suicide in middle aged (45–64) people. Ten times as many people texted a federal government disaster mental-distress hotline in April 2020 as in April 2019.

As we consider how to deal with resurgent numbers of Covid cases, we must acknowledge that mitigation measures like shelter-in-place and lockdowns appear to have contributed to the death toll."

https://www.city-journal.org/deadly-cost-of-lockdown-policies

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Aug 14, 2020 15:11:55   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
yhtomit wrote:
Do your own home work. Hell I read two people went to the hospital...waited, was never tested and
were called days later to be informed they have the wuhan flu.


Without evidence I call false. If you wish to change minds, you will provide evidence, otherwise you are just another troll. You may be a bit more annoying than some, but you are just a troll.

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Aug 14, 2020 15:13:03   #
pendennis
 
Since, according to the National Academy of Medical Examiners, COVID is a [b]SECONDARY[/b} cause of death, how about breaking all those statistics down as to the primary causes of death, then by tertiary or underlying cause of death?

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Aug 14, 2020 15:14:18   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Fotoartist wrote:
We don't need Johns Hopkins to tell us the increased deaths are evidence of the harm caused by the lockdown.


If you can convince me that masks cause the virus, I'll send you a box of them.

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Aug 14, 2020 15:24:15   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I have yet to find any statistics that are reasonably trustworthy.
--Bob
RixPix wrote:
Across the United States, at least 200,000 more people have died than usual since March, according to a New York Times analysis of estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This is about 60,000 higher than the number of deaths that have been directly linked to the coronavirus.

As the pandemic has moved south and west from its epicenter in New York City, so have the unusual patterns in deaths from all causes. That suggests that the official death counts may be substantially underestimating the overall effects of the virus, as people die from the virus as well as by other causes linked to the pandemic.

When the coronavirus first took hold in the United States in March, the bulk of deaths above normal levels, or “excess deaths,” were in the Northeast, as New York and New Jersey saw huge surges.

The Northeast still makes up nearly half of all excess deaths in the country, though numbers in the region have drastically declined since the peak in April.

Counting deaths takes time and many states are weeks or months behind in reporting. The estimates from the C.D.C. are adjusted based on how mortality data has lagged in previous years. Even with this adjustment, it’s possible there could be an underestimate of the complete death toll if increased mortality is causing states to lag more than they have in the past or if states have changed their reporting systems.

But comparing recent totals of deaths from all causes can provide a more complete picture of the pandemic’s impact than tracking only deaths of people with confirmed diagnoses.

Weekly deaths above normal in each state

The charts below show how much higher than usual weekly deaths have been in each state. States with the most recent peaks — the week when they saw the most excess deaths during the pandemic — appear first. For each state, weeks in which data may be incomplete are excluded.

But as the number of hot spots expanded, so has the number of excess deaths across other parts of the country. Many of the recent coronavirus cases and deaths in the South and the West may have been driven largely by reopenings and relaxed social distancing restrictions.

Nine of the 13 states in the South started seeing excess deaths surge in July, months into the pandemic. A spike in cases in places like Texas put pressure on hospitals, echoing the chaos that ensued in New York months earlier. South Carolina, among the first states to reopen retail stores, saw deaths reach 1.6 times normal levels in mid-July.

Unlike other states in this region, Louisiana saw its excess deaths peak in April — when total deaths reached 1.7 times normal levels. Medical experts said Mardi Gras gatherings most likely contributed to this spike.

In July, coronavirus deaths in Arizona surged, though new daily cases have since decreased. In California, the first state to issue a stay-at-home order this spring, coronavirus deaths climbed up in July, after a reopening that some health officials warned was too fast.

In the Midwest, some states like Michigan and Illinois saw their peaks in April. Detroit was particularly hard hit by the virus.

New York City in the first few months of the pandemic was the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, and it was plagued by staggering death totals, which peaked at more than seven times normal levels. Other areas of the Northeast, including New Jersey, Massachusetts and Connecticut also saw early surges. Over all, rates have decreased significantly since then in much of the region.

Methodology

Total death numbers are estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which are based on death certificates counted by the C.D.C. and adjusted to account for typical lags in the reporting of deaths.

Only weeks in which the C.D.C. estimates the data to be at least 90 percent complete or estimated deaths were above expected death numbers are included. Weeks in which reported deaths were less than 50 percent of the C.D.C. estimate are not included. Because states vary somewhat in their speed in reporting deaths to the federal government, state charts may have data for different time periods.

Expected deaths were calculated with a simple model based on the weekly number of all-cause deaths from 2017 to 2019 released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, adjusted to account for trends, like population changes, over time.

Additional reporting by Josh Katz and Margot Sanger-Katz.
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Aug 14, 2020 16:28:46   #
Rose42
 
thom w wrote:
If you can convince me that masks cause the virus, I'll send you a box of them.


You imply your life is more valuable than his. And all over an opinion.

Its interesting that those like you and Rix who want others to die are on the left. Coincidence? There is no such thing.

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Aug 14, 2020 19:20:55   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Gee, are there more deaths than the death count of abortions?


Have you stood infront of an abortion clinic with a "LARGE SIGN' - that reads "I'LL TAKE and Care for your Baby" if not why not?

IT is your decision that can or can not save one child.

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