Bmac
Loc: Long Island, NY
Richard94611 wrote:
This (below) is true. Obama made a serious mistake, and I felt it was a mistake after the first few months of his presidency. He tried way too hard to have bipartisan agreement from a group of people whose aim was not to agree.
"Again..It has been enumerated in many threads & posts how The Democrats had control of Congress the last two years of the Bush Administration & the first two years of the Obama Administration, and that's both houses of Congress. That's a fact, not opinion or interpretation."
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I don't remember Obama trying to have bipartisan agreement when Congress was run by Pelosi & Reed the first two years of Obama's presidency. 8-)
Bmac
Loc: Long Island, NY
Richard94611 wrote:
NOW, ENLIGHTEN ME ABOUT ONE THING. WHAT DOES ACA STAND FOR ? MEA CULPA. I AM GUILTY OF IGNORANCE ABOUT THIS. ENLIGHTEN US
Geff, hope you don't mind me answering this for you, it will allow you a slight break.
ACA is an acronym for the Affordable Care Act. Yes, it is an oxymoron, as my health insurance premiums have gone up since it's inception. In fact, although I have asked on this forum, I know of no one who has had their premiums go down since the ACA went into effect. No one. 8-)
ThenBmac, your memory is faulty because I do. The problem is simply that YOU DON'T WANT TO. It may be that it made less impression on conservatives and Republicans because it fit into what you wanted. But for those of us who wanted progress, the situation was very frustrating. We remember that. We were also disappointed by Obama then because we wanted him really to kick ass, and he didn't. He was way too nice to Republicans.
Bmac wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
This (below) is true. Obama made a serious mistake, and I felt it was a mistake after the first few months of his presidency. He tried way too hard to have bipartisan agreement from a group of people whose aim was not to agree.
"Again..It has been enumerated in many threads & posts how The Democrats had control of Congress the last two years of the Bush Administration & the first two years of the Obama Administration, and that's both houses of Congress. That's a fact, not opinion or interpretation."
This (below) is true. Obama made a serious mistak... (
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I don't remember Obama trying to have bipartisan agreement when Congress was run by Pelosi & Reed the first two years of Obama's presidency. 8-)
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Bmac
Loc: Long Island, NY
Richard94611 wrote:
ThenBmac, your memory is faulty because I do. The problem is simply that YOU DON'T WANT TO. It may be that it made less impression on conservatives and Republicans because it fit into what you wanted. But for those of us who wanted progress, the situation was very frustrating. We remember that. We were also disappointed by Obama then because we wanted him really to kick ass, and he didn't. He was way too nice to Republicans.
Bmac wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
This (below) is true. Obama made a serious mistake, and I felt it was a mistake after the first few months of his presidency. He tried way too hard to have bipartisan agreement from a group of people whose aim was not to agree.
"Again..It has been enumerated in many threads & posts how The Democrats had control of Congress the last two years of the Bush Administration & the first two years of the Obama Administration, and that's both houses of Congress. That's a fact, not opinion or interpretation."
This (below) is true. Obama made a serious mistak... (
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I don't remember Obama trying to have bipartisan agreement when Congress was run by Pelosi & Reed the first two years of Obama's presidency. 8-)
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I believe Blurryeyed gave examples of non-bipartisanship by the Democrats. Since you have a better memory than me Richard, perhaps you wouldn't mind giving some specific examples supporting your contention?
8-)
My medicare premiums have gone up a slight bit, but so have my benefits. I am willing to pay something like $18 more a month for what I am now getting.
Bmac
Loc: Long Island, NY
Richard94611 wrote:
My medicare premiums have gone up a slight bit, but so have my benefits. I am willing to pay something like $18 more a month for what I am now getting.
Good for you Richard, except one of the selling points for soliciting passage of the Affordable Health Care Bill would be that it would lower costs, not raise them.
So, any specific examples of how Obama exercised bi-partisanship those two years that he ruled both houses of Congress? 8-)
I recall attempt after attempt to work in a bi-partisan fashion with Republicans. And I recall feeling angry and disappointed that Republicans would not do this.
Eventually the ACA will in fact lower costs. Nobody said it would be instantaneous -- except Republicans now claiming people said this. In part this is due to the introduction of free preventative care. Can you see a relationship between a healthier population and lower total medical costs ?
Bmac wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
My medicare premiums have gone up a slight bit, but so have my benefits. I am willing to pay something like $18 more a month for what I am now getting.
Good for you Richard, except one of the selling points for soliciting passage of the Affordable Health Care Bill would be that it would lower costs, not raise them.
So, any specific examples of how Obama exercised bi-partisanship those two years that he ruled both houses of Congress? 8-)
Bmac
Loc: Long Island, NY
Richard94611 wrote:
I recall attempt after attempt to work in a bi-partisan fashion with Republicans.
Okay, how about telling me about some of those numerous attempts you recall? 8-)
Bmac wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
I recall attempt after attempt to work in a bi-partisan fashion with Republicans.
Okay, how about telling me about some of those numerous attempts you recall? 8-)
Richard has nothing to say... He is just being a good soldier in the One's army... He is a bit like Wick, just a little more mature.
Richard94611 wrote:
I recall attempt after attempt to work in a bi-partisan fashion with Republicans. And I recall feeling angry and disappointed that Republicans would not do this.
Eventually the ACA will in fact lower costs. Nobody said it would be instantaneous -- except Republicans now claiming people said this. In part this is due to the introduction of free preventative care. Can you see a relationship between a healthier population and lower total medical costs ?
Bmac wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
My medicare premiums have gone up a slight bit, but so have my benefits. I am willing to pay something like $18 more a month for what I am now getting.
Good for you Richard, except one of the selling points for soliciting passage of the Affordable Health Care Bill would be that it would lower costs, not raise them.
So, any specific examples of how Obama exercised bi-partisanship those two years that he ruled both houses of Congress? 8-)
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Richard,
Have you read that bill, be honest, and if you did could you explain the 10 areas that fund things with no connection to health care?
George
Richard94611 wrote:
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the debate. Romney was much smoother than I have ever before seen him -- but still lying and trying to sell snake oil deceptively.
For instance, let's look at his statement that he won't raise taxes. One of his oft-repeated goals, he has said repeatedly in past months, is that he will achieve his financial goals "without raising taxes." He has also stated that he will achieve much of this by closing "loopholes," and one of the loopholes he intends to close is the household mortgage interest deduction.
Well, now, let's look at the math. If you are buying a house and paying $1,000/month in interest, which is a low amount here in California, that means you no longer get to deduct 12 x 1,000 from your income. Let us assume you stay within the 15% tax bracket on your earnings. Fifteen percent of $12,000 is $1,800, which is the additional amount you will have to pay on your income tax. No, Romney won't raise taxes. He will achieve the same thing by not allowing you deductions you have had for years, and effectively by making you pay more.
Romney is a snake oil salesman.
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In order to know the man... Mitt Romney.. you need to know the Father.... Possibly the blacks will be surprised at this writing.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney <<<Americans have four basic ways of solving problems that are too big for individuals to handle by themselves. One is through the federal government. A second is through state governments and the local governments that the states create. The third is through the private sector the economic sector that includes business, agriculture, and labor. The fourth method is the independent sector the voluntary, cooperative action of free individuals and independent association. Voluntary action is the most powerful of these, because it is uniquely capable of stirring the people themselves and involving their enthusiastic energies, because it is their own voluntary action is the people's action. ... As Woodrow Wilson said, "The most powerful force on earth is the spontaneous cooperation of a free people." Individualism makes cooperation worthwhile but cooperation makes freedom possible.>>>]
read this and you die hard Obama's might change your mind toward Romney as he is today and his thinking... you might be surprised... just make sure you read ALL of the article.
He reflected, "It was only after I got to Detroit that I got to know Negroes and began to be able to evaluate them and I began to recognize that some Negroes are better and more capable than lots of whites."
Finally, Romney disagreed strongly with Goldwater's views on civil rights; he would later say, "Whites and Negroes, in my opinion, have got to learn to know each other. Barry Goldwater didn't have any background to understand this, to fathom them, and I couldn't get through to him."
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