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Jul 21, 2020 22:55:20   #
RLSprouse Loc: Encinitas CA (near Sandy Eggo)
 
Basil wrote:
When I shot the 2017 Eclipse (from near Casper WY), I knew to only take the solar filter off during totality, but made certain it went back on before the end of totality.


Beautiful shot...

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Jul 22, 2020 00:51:15   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Basil wrote:
I've shot many sunrise and sunset pictures with a DSLR, but with a DSLR the sensor is covered while you compose and is only exposed to the sun when you take the exposure. One of these days I will probably get a mirrorless and I'm wondering if shooting sunsets, etc., could cause sensor damage since the sensor is continuously exposed? Are there precautions you need to take with a mirrorless when shooting the sun? Anyone have experience with shooting sunsets or sunrises with a mirrorless?


I have been shooting mirrorless M43 since circa 2008. I shoot many sunsets, and a few sunrises. ;)

With the sun low on the horizon there is no problem as in sunset, sunrise, there is no worry about damage to the camera sensor.

Camera sensors can be damaged, both DSLR and mirrorless, with exposure to BRIGHT sunlight.

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Jul 22, 2020 06:09:17   #
CO
 
Basil wrote:
When I shot the 2017 Eclipse (from near Casper WY), I knew to only take the solar filter off during totality, but made certain it went back on before the end of totality.


That's a fantastic shot!

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Jul 22, 2020 07:56:55   #
Jeffcs Loc: Myrtle Beach South Carolina
 
jtm1943 wrote:
oops. I meant to say - The shutter covers the sensor until it opens to make the exposure.

Peace.

John


if the shutter covered the sensor until the "shot" you couldn't see any thing sensor is what your looking at

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Jul 22, 2020 09:10:06   #
sbschippers Loc: Baltimore MD
 
The sensor is not continually exposed (activated) that would make no sense at all. The result would be a single exposure with a duration of infinite length and no individual images would be possible. The sensor is activated only for the time the shutter is actually open.

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Jul 22, 2020 11:14:11   #
RLSprouse Loc: Encinitas CA (near Sandy Eggo)
 
sbschippers wrote:
The sensor is not continually exposed (activated) that would make no sense at all. The result would be a single exposure with a duration of infinite length and no individual images would be possible. The sensor is activated only for the time the shutter is actually open.


I can't believe how difficult it is for some people to understand how a mirrorless camera works.

When you turn the camera on, the sensor is active, and exposed to the light coming in through the lens. The camera feeds the live image through to the EVF. What happens when you press the shutter release button depends on the shooting mode you have set, either the normal mode which uses the mechanical shutter, or "silent" mode, which uses the electronic shutter.

In the normal mode, when you press the shutter button, the mechanical shutter closes briefly, then the shutter opens and closes to make the capture, according to the shutter speed currently set. When the image capture is complete, and the image data is written into the camera's buffer, the shutter opens and the sensor is again exposed to the light coming in through the lens. So the sensor is only "hidden" for two brief periods of time: when the shutter is closed before the image capture event, and again when the exposure is complete and the data is being recorded in the buffer. At all other times, the sensor is "active" and exposed to the light.

In silent shooting mode. the mechanical shutter is not involved at all, and the sensor is continually exposed to the light. The camera electronics turn the sensor off, then turn it on again for the period of time set for the shutter speed, and at that point the data is written into the camera's buffer. The exposure is made electronically, and the sensor is never hidden from the incoming light.

I hope this clarifies things.

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Jul 22, 2020 11:17:45   #
Ballard Loc: Grass Valley, California
 
Very nice shot, I really like the contrast in your image. I was in Victor Idaho for the eclipse.

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Jul 22, 2020 11:21:17   #
RLSprouse Loc: Encinitas CA (near Sandy Eggo)
 
Ballard wrote:
Very nice shot, I really like the contrast in your image. I was in Victor Idaho for the eclipse.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-615123-1.html


Spectacular series, Ballard. Great work!

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Jul 22, 2020 11:29:43   #
Ballard Loc: Grass Valley, California
 
RLSprouse wrote:
Spectacular series, Ballard. Great work!

Hi RLSprouse
Thanks for the comment

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Jul 22, 2020 17:19:48   #
Millismote Loc: Massachusetts
 
The mirror is fixed in place and about 18% if the image passes through the mirror to the sensor and the rest goes up to the eye piece. I have taken many shots of both sunrise and sunset with no sensor damage.

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Jul 22, 2020 17:22:01   #
RLSprouse Loc: Encinitas CA (near Sandy Eggo)
 
Millismote wrote:
The mirror is fixed in place and about 18% if the image passes through the mirror to the sensor and the rest goes up to the eye piece. I have taken many shots of both sunrise and sunset with no sensor damage.


In a mirrorless camera?

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Jul 22, 2020 17:48:00   #
CO
 
RLSprouse wrote:
I can't believe how difficult it is for some people to understand how a mirrorless camera works.

When you turn the camera on, the sensor is active, and exposed to the light coming in through the lens. The camera feeds the live image through to the EVF. What happens when you press the shutter release button depends on the shooting mode you have set, either the normal mode which uses the mechanical shutter, or "silent" mode, which uses the electronic shutter.

In the normal mode, when you press the shutter button, the mechanical shutter closes briefly, then the shutter opens and closes to make the capture, according to the shutter speed currently set. When the image capture is complete, and the image data is written into the camera's buffer, the shutter opens and the sensor is again exposed to the light coming in through the lens. So the sensor is only "hidden" for two brief periods of time: when the shutter is closed before the image capture event, and again when the exposure is complete and the data is being recorded in the buffer. At all other times, the sensor is "active" and exposed to the light.

In silent shooting mode. the mechanical shutter is not involved at all, and the sensor is continually exposed to the light. The camera electronics turn the sensor off, then turn it on again for the period of time set for the shutter speed, and at that point the data is written into the camera's buffer. The exposure is made electronically, and the sensor is never hidden from the incoming light.

I hope this clarifies things.
I can't believe how difficult it is for some peopl... (show quote)


Very good explanation about how mirrorless works. So then with a DSLR, the sensor is turned off and is only on for the duration of the exposure? Would the exception be if a DSLR camera is in live view mode?

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Jul 22, 2020 18:13:02   #
RLSprouse Loc: Encinitas CA (near Sandy Eggo)
 
CO wrote:
Very good explanation about how mirrorless works. So then with a DSLR, the sensor is turned off and is only on for the duration of the exposure? Would the exception be if a DSLR camera is in live view mode?


Thanks for the comment. I really appreciate it.

TBH I don't know if the sensor of a DSLR is "turned off" other than during exposure, but as you point out, it has to be turned on for Live View to work.

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Jul 22, 2020 19:18:33   #
rjriggins11 Loc: Colorado Springs, CO
 
Your lens works like a magnifying glass and it focuses directly on the sensor. Remember the ants as a child? That's what happens to the pixels in your image sensor. You would't believe all the shutter curtains I've seen over the years with pinholes from sun damage. Don't get me wrong, I've shot lots of sunrises and sunsets and even an eclipse or two. I just use a back-up camera instead. The lens won't get damaged so you can use any one you choose. Just be weary about that brand new $2,000 camera.

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Jul 22, 2020 19:26:38   #
CO
 
RLSprouse wrote:
Thanks for the comment. I really appreciate it.

TBH I don't know if the sensor of a DSLR is "turned off" other than during exposure, but as you point out, it has to be turned on for Live View to work.


Thanks for the info. I don't know if I will ever switch over to mirrorless. I don't like that the sensor is always on. The sensor becomes a dust magnet and the sensor plus EVF drain battery power much faster than a DSLR. The autofocus performance is not there yet. It will probably be 5 to 10 years until mirrorless has developed enough for me to consider it.

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