soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

It’s history, it’s a part of our country.
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

lARRY1 Loc: southern nc

sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri

Soba1, For the same reason there are Holocaust Museums and why other painful moments of history are important to pass on to generation to generation is so that others will not repeat those heinous acts again.

Society must learn from its mistakes for the same reasons that it must learn from its successes.

It is wrong to pick and choose what parts of history are to be remembered and which are to be erased. If rebels with a cause are to be demonized then there are many that should be demonized today for their rebellions.

Slavery is possibly the ultimate injustice yet slavery continues throughout the world today in many forms. Women and children are kept as sex slaves, people are slaves to drugs and other addictions. People are slaves to their environments and economic standard. Women are slaves to the abusive men in their lives. Many of chains are still real and many are mental and perhaps far worse if not impossible to break free.

Statues in themselves are nothing more that something for pigeons to shit on. It is the history behind the statue that is important and it is important for future generations to know that there was a time that our country was so divided that more men were killed in battle, at times brother against brother, than any war in our history. It is important to teach what lead up to it, what happened after it and what lasting effect it had on the nation.

Remove the statues if there is a consensus of the citizens and remove them properly. Taking it upon the rule of the mob is perhaps is a worse reflection of our society today than that of the statue.

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

I have to agree with that

SteveR Loc: Michigan

I agree with you, Bob. The statue of Robert E. Lee in Lee Park in Dallas was removed by vote of the City Council. There was also a grand Confederate Memorial downtown which was quite a piece of sculpture which is also in the process of being removed by vote of the City Council. Neither had been vandalized. Both were quite artistic.

I have nothing to admire about the Confederacy, so I have no problem with Confederate statues and monuments being removed. I do have problems, however, when statues of Presidents and others are vandalized, notably that of U.S. Grant. Now the Washington and Jefferson Monuments are being targeted. I do have severe problems with that, as well as changing the National Anthem or our flag. These changes have more to do with undermining our country than with dealing with racism.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

A little, abridged political history....

“Be aware that no state ever rescinded its sovereignty or gave up its independence when it became part of the new United States. Three states, New York, Rhode Island and Virginia, insisted before joining that they could secede from it if it became tyrannical in any way. Since all the states were admitted to the Union as equals this right was given to all the other states and this right was never questioned during the antebellum era and, in fact, the New England states with their Hartford Convention almost seceded over the War of 1812 AND with the admission of Texas in 1845.

Further, the Constitution was ratified by each state through a special convention of the people to decide that one issue, rather than through their legislatures, as legislatures could and would be replaced.

When the Southern States seceded, they followed this exact procedure.
Each Southern state called a convention of the people (commonly called a secession convention), elected delegates as Unionists or Secessionists, debated the single issue of whether to stay in the Union or leave, then seven states voted to secede and four rejected secession at the time.

When the CW started there were actually more slave states in the Union (eight, soon to be nine) than the Confederacy (seven), but the four states that rejected succession joined in as a measure of federalism.

In short, the succession was legal, followed the constitution, and did not involve sedition or treason.

I would also note that the lack of any charges was part of the reconciliation negotiated as part of the war’s end.”

sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri

A true 5-star response. U.S. Grant was a true champion of the nation. He was gifted a slave from his father-in-law and Grant worked alongside of him in the field and when building his home and he gave him his freedom. Grant saw the horrors of the war first hand in the field. Horrors that stayed with him from then on. He was responsible for saving the South after the war from the many that wanted to continue to punish them and confiscate their property and assets. Grant knew that what the nation needed was to be healed, not further punishments.

uch can be said about other statues such as Robert Byrd's in the House of Congress however removing U.S. Grant's statue is a true injustice to American History.