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Jun 21, 2020 09:56:31   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Preparing to shoot and kill people is always a healthy solution.


You would rather them kill you ?

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Jun 21, 2020 10:41:26   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
sb wrote:
As a physician I have to be accountable if I have an error in judgement that harms or kills someone. Even if it was not my intention (!) to harm or kill them. Although I probably would not be criminally charged, I would face losing my license and career and civil litigation - I have no immunity from being sued. I am obligated to report any significant violations of medical practice standards by a colleague to the licensing board. I am required to take 50 hours of continuing education yearly to maintain my license. The licensing boards communicate with each other - I cannot screw up badly in one state, face disciplinary action, and then simply move to another state.

None of this used to be true. But people - and the profession - realized that doctors are humans. We make mistakes - but sometimes those mistakes were avoidable and sometimes the doctor should be punished or removed from the profession. And sometimes the doctors should be arrested (especially in misuse of their prescribing authority with controlled drugs).

So - all I can say to the brave men and women in blue, whom I respect greatly, is "buckle up buttercup - the times are changing - it can still be a great profession, but standards will be higher, scrutiny will be sharper, and repercussions for episodes of poor judgement - especially when you use your weapon - will be harsher".
As a physician I have to be accountable if I have ... (show quote)


I greatly appreciate what you say and do believe you are correct. But comparing doctors to police officers would be great IF because of your personal mistake as a doctor reflected badly upon ALL doctors and IF your mistake caused parts of cities to be filled with violent rioters, looting and arson. So far I have never seen that type of behavior from citizens when a doctor makes a mistake or even if it is a premeditated murder as SOME doctors and nurses have done across America.

But now compare that to ONE police officer in Minneapolis who killed George Floyd, most likely not through racism or premeditation but simply through stupidity and brutality on his part. Take a look at the numbers of black people killed by police and then look at the numbers of black people killed by mistakes by doctors and other medical personnel. Do you recall ANY riots evolving from a medical mistake causing death, a premeditated murder by medical personnel causing riots and so on? Me neither.

That is the difference Doctor. When you screw up it is just another statistic added to the many other, is it thousands, of medical mistakes causing death. But when a police officer screws up America pays if that is a black person who died.

Doesn't seem quite fair does it?

Dennis

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Jun 21, 2020 10:48:43   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
OlinBost wrote:
There are two problems with the police departments: 1) most are already under funded 2) the unions.
The unions protect the good officers but also protect the bad ones. With the unions you cannot get rid of the bad ones. It is the same the teachers.


This is not an underfunded problem of police departments at all. Almost every police officer working today has been trained a minimum of hours in de-escalation techniques as well as the Use of Force Continuum. This is a problem of just a very few officers who in many cases should never have been hired to begin with. I have worked with a few officers who simply cannot handle the weight of that badge on their chest. While new officers are screened pretty thoroughly these days and are weeded out some others should be weeded out and are not.

I won't get into my hatred of unions that these days are totally unnecessary in today's world other than to say I look at Democratically run cities such as Chicago whose police and teacher unions have caused the city to become way over board in paying their teachers and police. You are correct in that unions force cities to keep people who have no business working in their profession.

Dennis

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Jun 21, 2020 10:56:14   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Bill 45 wrote:
Hey, cops are killing people for no reason. It time those cops had to go. Their are the one who are giving police bad view. Also their are destroying police dept. from with in.


This is most likely not the last time I will say this Bill but you truly are full of crap with a ridiculous statement like that. Cops are NOT killing people for no reason. A couple of cops have killed someone and used poor judgement in their actions. For the most part they will be or have been tried in a court of law for their actions as they should be.

You want to claim people are being killed for no reason then you need look at the medical profession where you will find patients dying left and right from the mistakes of doctors and other medical professionals. Usually these are from mistakes but often enough they are from premeditated murder by people who are trained to save lives.

You are one of our members of The Attic who will never get it as to what is right and wrong, normal or abnormal and so on. You make unthought out comments that mean nothing except to you.

Best you just STFU and don't bother us with your ignorant comments any more.

Dennis

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Jun 21, 2020 11:23:53   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
I predict that should things continue to escalate against the local police forces that law enforcement will become 'Federalized' much like the airport security TSA. Local communities will no longer play a part in their local law enforcement efforts.

Keep in mind that then candidate Barack Hussein Obama said,"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

In other words he proposed to nationalize select groups of citizens as the nations security force and there are those today that are working toward that goal by first defunding the local police and then replacing them with select groups of citizens.

Have you ever wondered exactly what that replacement group will consist of and what their objectives and directives will be? I surely have.

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Jun 21, 2020 12:41:33   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
thom w wrote:
I support your right to expose yourself to CV if that is your wish. I do not support your right to expose others, no matter how loudly you protest. Having no restrictions means that many who would like to protect themselves have only two choices: Go to work, and accept the consequences, or stay secluded and die homeless on the street from either CV or starvation.
Why does you taking that position not surprise me?

I can't, in good conscience, wish you harm, but if you do get sick, I'll be very interested in your opinions at that time.
I support your right to expose yourself to CV if t... (show quote)


Thom, I have been sequestered from the start of this thing, I don't even go into grocery stores, I have them delivered, my son however who has a mortgage goes to work everyday and I understand that. I have not yet been able to visit my new granddaughter that arrived to this world just within the last two weeks. I wear disposable gloves when using ATM machines or pumping gas, I actually sanitize my debit card afterwards and anything I may have inadvertently touched. That is how it works Thom, those of us who are in a risk category have to take care of ourselves, we have to take precautions, the rest of the world should be able to assume lives as close to what we used to consider normality as possible.

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Jun 21, 2020 12:47:19   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
thom w wrote:
Squeezing charcoal? Unfamiliar with the term, perhaps you could explain.


Perhaps princess he meant squeezing charcoal lighter fluid. That would seem reasonable for starting arson fires would it not?

Dennis

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Jun 21, 2020 12:52:47   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Preparing to shoot and kill people is always a healthy solution.


How about a more reasonable response such as preparing to defend yourself and your family from those who would do you harm. Looked upon using that terminology is a totally different proposition isn't it from simply ASSUMING someone wants to shoot and kill people. The difference my friend is you forgot to add in that all important phrase about protecting yourself.

I am assuming that if someone threatened you and your family with death or great bodily harm and you could do something to protect yourself and them that you would take that shoot and kill people option. Would you not?

The alternative would be you saying, I could never take human lives no matter what threat they presented to me or my family. Is that who you are? Some are you know.

Dennis

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Jun 21, 2020 12:55:50   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
You might need those weapons when Trump loses the election, refuses to leave office, and then urges his supporters to start riots and demonstrators in the streets
Many will be armed, and the streets might get bloody.
I hope not but this revolutionary stuff is certainly brewing.


Do you honestly see that happening? I can't believe anyone on the planet really thinks that is true; more of a Liberal talking point to show that Trump is a dictator even though he has done nothing to bring out those feelings in anybody other than Trump haters who feel no remorse about spreading lies about him.

Dennis

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Jun 21, 2020 12:59:16   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Do you honestly see that happening? I can't believe anyone on the planet really thinks that is true; more of a Liberal talking point to show that Trump is a dictator even though he has done nothing to bring out those feelings in anybody other than Trump haters who feel no remorse about spreading lies about him.

Dennis


Nice, libs love to color us as insane haters when they don't even recognize the fear and hatred they spew.

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Jun 21, 2020 13:03:27   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
thom w wrote:
I support your right to expose yourself to CV if that is your wish. I do not support your right to expose others, no matter how loudly you protest. Having no restrictions means that many who would like to protect themselves have only two choices: Go to work, and accept the consequences, or stay secluded and die homeless on the street from either CV or starvation.
Why does you taking that position not surprise me?

I can't, in good conscience, wish you harm, but if you do get sick, I'll be very interested in your opinions at that time.
I support your right to expose yourself to CV if t... (show quote)


Damn little princess that is quite an imagination you have. "Go to work, and accept the consequences, or stay secluded and die homeless on the street from either CV or starvation."

Somehow you are forgetting that America still has hospitals available to treat the sick. You are also forgetting a HUGE factor here, people with the virus generally speaking do not die at all but regain their health and are fine UNLESS they are in a specific age group. Dying of starvation??? Apparently you are assuming that the poster doesn't have a phone with which to call for groceries to be delivered, friends to come help out and so on.

As I say, quite an imagination you have. But now isn't it time for you to get with mommy and come back to the real world? No need to fret little one. Mommy will take good care of you. She will turn on Peppa Pig or maybe Spongebob and all will be well.

Dennis

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Jun 21, 2020 13:09:14   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Nice, libs love to color us as insane haters when they don't even recognize the fear and hatred they spew.


Exactly...how easily every one of these Liberals forget that it was not Trump but Hillary who continues to whine and bitch about the election 3 1/2 years later. She still whines, she was robbed. Remember when Hillary asked Trump if he lost would he concede and he said yes. Turns out it is her and the Left who refuse to concede even today. The Trump hate has spread like a mass hysteria across America with that side of the aisle never once giving Trump the benefit of a single thing he has accomplished, still attacking even Trump's family.

What a bunch of whining babies. Surely they need more cheese to go along with their whine.

Dennis

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Jun 21, 2020 15:56:53   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Thom, I have been sequestered from the start of this thing, I don't even go into grocery stores, I have them delivered, my son however who has a mortgage goes to work everyday and I understand that. I have not yet been able to visit my new granddaughter that arrived to this world just within the last two weeks. I wear disposable gloves when using ATM machines or pumping gas, I actually sanitize my debit card afterwards and anything I may have inadvertently touched. That is how it works Thom, those of us who are in a risk category have to take care of ourselves, we have to take precautions, the rest of the world should be able to assume lives as close to what we used to consider normality as possible.
Thom, I have been sequestered from the start of th... (show quote)



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Jun 21, 2020 16:54:25   #
Migradudetoo Loc: El Paso, Texas
 
Bill 45 wrote:
Hey, cops are killing people for no reason. It time those cops had to go. Their are the one who are giving police bad view. Also their are destroying police dept. from with in.


So are you going to strap on your 6 shooter and defend your city by yourself? Are all of your citizens there armed with firearms to protect themselves? If not, to whom are you going to look to for protection? I’m not trying to argue with you. I’m just curious on your stance.

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Jun 21, 2020 20:29:02   #
oregon don
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Yes, and whose page was that, I see a lot of "Defund the Police" around, Omar in MN has called for a complete disbanding of the police, last night there was a murder and a second shooting in the Occupied Zone of Seattle and neither the police nor the paramedics were allowed in to offer assistance.

You, nor the Facebook page speak for the movement that is sweeping the country, on another note statues of George Washington are being torn down, just how crazy is that? There is an entire majority of America that does not like the BS.
Yes, and whose page was that, I see a lot of "... (show quote)

At a school in Portland Oregon a statue of Thomas Jefferson was torn down because he was a slave holder! What kind of under educated idiots are these?

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