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Jun 11, 2020 14:39:22   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
sigi1 wrote:
Do you guys do this all the time? I’d be afraid to ask a question!


Dive in. It’s painless! What is the worst thing that can happen? Disagreement? An insult from some cruel fool?

While the Internet requires a thick skin, the vast majority of us just want to help. Ask away.

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Jun 11, 2020 14:45:22   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
And we do digress from time to time.

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Jun 11, 2020 15:19:12   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
crooner wrote:
Most of the example photos in the link from the indoor concert have shutter speeds of 1/500 or faster. The answer may be obvious but why wouldn't slowing the shutter speed help? Wouldn't that be a reasonable way to shoot at lower ISO? even handheld?


The focal length comes into play too. I’m guessing when zooming in on individual performers it’s fairly long. I’d rather deal with noise than blur.

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Jun 11, 2020 15:25:48   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Perhaps because Canon has a 4,000,000 ISO camera with very good and usable images.
If you need to go that high get the right tool that actually produces excellent photos at 4,000,000 ISO.


If you have $20,000 to spend on a 2.26 megapixel camera.

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Jun 11, 2020 15:28:47   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
As far as the ISO numbers are concerned, they are usually increasing by factors of 2 (with some numbers in between steps) so you have 100, 125, 160, 200...400...800...1600 and so forth. When you get to higher numbers they are still labelled by powers of two, so you get to 3200...6400...12800...25600...51200...102400

There is no real reason to specify these numbers to more than 1 or 2 significant figures. I think that above 6400 you could call them 12K, 25K, 50K, 100K, without any real confusion. The numbers represent an amplification of the signal from the sensor, and I would bee surprised if the accuracy of the amplification is better than maybe 5-10%. After all, these are pretty much mass produced items.

If you refer to the Hi-5 level on the D6 as 3 million, it's not going to be significantly different from 3,276,800 practically speaking.
As far as the ISO numbers are concerned, they are ... (show quote)


It’s a factor af two because that’s what each full stop is, whether it’s aperture, shutter speed or ISO.

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Jun 11, 2020 15:29:07   #
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sigi1 wrote:
Do you guys do this all the time? I’d be afraid to ask a question!

Don’t ask !!!

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Jun 11, 2020 15:29:45   #
User ID
 
DirtFarmer wrote:

And we do digress ..................

And regress .......

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Jun 11, 2020 15:30:59   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
What all this comes down to is that while they talk about sensors being ISO invariant, they really aren’t there yet. They get better and better but a truly invariant sensor is still a unicorn.

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Jun 11, 2020 15:33:30   #
khildy Loc: Brownsburg, IN
 
sigi1 wrote:
Do you guys do this all the time? I’d be afraid to ask a question!


Gets like this a lot.

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Jun 11, 2020 15:45:00   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
If you have $20,000 to spend on a 2.26 megapixel camera.


Do you want to shoot at 4.5 M ISO?

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Jun 11, 2020 16:12:06   #
Mickey Mantle Loc: New York City
 
As you raise your ISO, you see more noise. You should almost never go over, at the most, 800. I set my Sony’s to ISO Auto and then shoot in Manuel mode. I use minimum 100 iso and maximum 6400 and then adjust if I need to

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Jun 11, 2020 16:17:23   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Mickey Mantle wrote:
As you raise your ISO, you see more noise. You should almost never go over, at the most, 800. I set my Sony’s to ISO Auto and then shoot in Manuel mode. I use minimum 100 iso and maximum 6400 and then adjust if I need to


800 is almost my normal walking around ISO for my D4s. Did you mean try not to go above 8000? That I can agree on.

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Jun 11, 2020 16:18:49   #
Mickey Mantle Loc: New York City
 
I meant try not to go over 800 but I get good images at higher iso that I adjust in post

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Jun 11, 2020 16:22:07   #
Mickey Mantle Loc: New York City
 
I shoot with Sony’s A9 and 7Riii

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Jun 11, 2020 16:29:26   #
sigi1
 
Just need to know what to expect ! Thanks

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