Rude "Professional" Photographers!
Nov 8, 2011 12:24:37 #
I think you should have told them they were blocking your shooting. They were very rude. At my age I wouldn't antagonize someone younger and stronger but I'm sure I would
have said, "What the hell are you doing?"
Bill Wassmann
have said, "What the hell are you doing?"
Bill Wassmann
Nov 8, 2011 12:30:36 #
djmills wrote:
I have seen people sailing their radio controlled boats around a pond and insulated themselves with some yellow construction (crime scene) tape posted to give them maybe 15 feet without people crowding in. Would it be workable to try something similar around your shooting area? How about a professional looking sign: "Photo shoot in progress until _____" and then filled in the time.
Its been done before. I knew a photographer in Orlando, Florida
who carried a couple of small, light A-Frames with his kit. And your suggestion was the exact wording he used.
Nov 8, 2011 12:46:41 #
In the future, definitely find out who the other photographer is before leaving, and call or write them afterward. Let them know how unprofessional they were. They may not have even realize what they did; their "eye was on the prize."
If you don't let them know what they've done, they'll never learn any better manners, or to pay attention to what's going on around them and not just to what they want to shoot.
If you don't let them know what they've done, they'll never learn any better manners, or to pay attention to what's going on around them and not just to what they want to shoot.
Nov 8, 2011 13:00:57 #
Reading all of these postings by various level photographers I am totally and completely amazed at how many so-called "Professionals" there are today. Back when I retired from the profession, only the fellows, and ladies,
making the big bucks, and having their photos spread all over the countryside, or owning successful working studios, were known as Professionals.
It appears that today any Tom, Dick, or Harry, armed with a Kodak Brownie Bulls Eye camera believes themselves to be a "Professional."
I hate to burst some bubbles but having a camera and tripod, with a clientele of family and close personel friends, does not a professional photographer make.
making the big bucks, and having their photos spread all over the countryside, or owning successful working studios, were known as Professionals.
It appears that today any Tom, Dick, or Harry, armed with a Kodak Brownie Bulls Eye camera believes themselves to be a "Professional."
I hate to burst some bubbles but having a camera and tripod, with a clientele of family and close personel friends, does not a professional photographer make.
Nov 8, 2011 13:03:41 #
I agree, communication is the key. Too often we assume we know what the other person thinks exactly. We're usually very, very wrong. So a sign or tape (while may be illegal in some cases) will ward innocent people off.
But the bullies still always win, no way around that at the public place. Besides, posting a sign and taping off part of a public park is itself an act of a bully. I'd be quite mad if I really needed that part of the park at that same time and someone assumed they have the exclusive right to it. I, too, pay taxes. But I would still be polite and wouldn't interfere if I had no use for that place or could work around it. Every story has two sides.
But the bullies still always win, no way around that at the public place. Besides, posting a sign and taping off part of a public park is itself an act of a bully. I'd be quite mad if I really needed that part of the park at that same time and someone assumed they have the exclusive right to it. I, too, pay taxes. But I would still be polite and wouldn't interfere if I had no use for that place or could work around it. Every story has two sides.
Nov 8, 2011 13:19:04 #
jwa4909 wrote:
I have never had that happen, but I could never conceive that these other photographers would be as rude as they were to you....you did the right thing in front of your client, but I wouldn't of blamed you to stand your ground either! I noticed you used the word other "professional" ......let me correct you if I may, that is NOT PROFESSIONAL and would be deemed amateur!
Not too crazy about you referring that guy to "NOT PROFESSIONAL and would be deemed amateur". So, does being a pro automatically mean you're courteous and thoughtful of others? Shame on you for not knowing the only difference between the pro and amateur is money being exchanged. Common sense isn't taught!
Nov 8, 2011 13:24:01 #
How does being or not being professional have anything to do with this case at all?
There's just one citizen and another in a public park. One interferes with an activity of the other. It is legal, but not polite.
How, again, does this situation have anything to do with the activity being "photographing", and the citizens considering themselves "pro" or "amateur" let's call it "photographers"?
Ah yes, it's being posted to the photography related forum. Still, it doesn't change the situation. It's about politeness, not photography. One is mad because they have "dibs" , the other is ignorant and probably jerk. Altogether it's the tragedy of communication.
Aaand I'll probably shut up and unsubscribe :)
There's just one citizen and another in a public park. One interferes with an activity of the other. It is legal, but not polite.
How, again, does this situation have anything to do with the activity being "photographing", and the citizens considering themselves "pro" or "amateur" let's call it "photographers"?
Ah yes, it's being posted to the photography related forum. Still, it doesn't change the situation. It's about politeness, not photography. One is mad because they have "dibs" , the other is ignorant and probably jerk. Altogether it's the tragedy of communication.
Aaand I'll probably shut up and unsubscribe :)
Nov 8, 2011 13:33:07 #
It happens in media shoots a whole lot... be it sporting events or concerts... jocking for position, angle, and lighting. I've only had one dude that was really rude... and we had a "discussion" after the game...
I told him if he ever pulled THAT CRAP again, I'd either a) make sure I returned the 'favor' in his frame, or b)he'd be wearing my 12 lb camera upside his head. After that, he stayed on the other side of the field or court... and we both got awesome shots.
I agree that one can't ever make a scene in front of clients or coaches (or spectators) if it can be helped. The TV video guys tend to be the worst... most sports photographers are aware, courteous, and respectful.
I told him if he ever pulled THAT CRAP again, I'd either a) make sure I returned the 'favor' in his frame, or b)he'd be wearing my 12 lb camera upside his head. After that, he stayed on the other side of the field or court... and we both got awesome shots.
I agree that one can't ever make a scene in front of clients or coaches (or spectators) if it can be helped. The TV video guys tend to be the worst... most sports photographers are aware, courteous, and respectful.
Nov 8, 2011 13:49:36 #
BigD
Loc: The LEFT Coast
foghornleg90 wrote:
It happens in media shoots a whole lot... be it sp... (show quote)
Amen Brother, there is this "quiet Riot" that goes on amongst Shooters at events like Sports. Usually you can just stay up to the line and nobody can get into your shot but some venues are more problematic like Pro Baseball games. They have little areas for the Photographers that are kinda assigned on a who's who basis (the more people you know the better chance you have of getting a spot). If you create a scene the Media Relations people will just get rid of you by denying your credentials (you get the black list) so Photographers tend to mind their P's and Q's. Out in the general public its kinda of a dog eat dog thing. Try and setup where others really cannot get in your way and usually you don't have any problems.
Nov 8, 2011 13:57:05 #
picturedude
Loc: Yosemite natl. park, Ca.
I would have let them get all set up, then return the favor to them. Walk in front of their camera, pick your nose in the background, scratch your butt in the foreground. Dog doo everywhere. I don't get even.... I get ahead!!!!
Nov 8, 2011 14:00:56 #
migdalskiy wrote:
I agree, communication is the key. Too often we as... (show quote)
Pray tell me, kind Sir, why would you want "that part of the park at the same time," if you saw someone was merely trying to get a good shot or two, or three.
Now who is going to be the bully!?!
Nov 8, 2011 14:08:05 #
jolly1 wrote:
Pray tell me, kind Sir, why would you want "that part of the park at the same time," if you saw someone was merely trying to get a good shot or two, or three.
Now who is going to be the bully!?!
Pray tell me, kind Sir, why would you want "that part of the park at the same time," if you saw someone was merely trying to get a good shot or two, or three.
Now who is going to be the bully!?!
It's hard to imagine why, but possible. For example, I was planning this shot for a month, and the sun is at exactly the right spot for those 15 minutes in the morning. Or I'm a paparazzi and that's the place to shoot some celebrity from. Or the voices in my head tell me I must-be-there-right-now or the world will end.
It's hard to imagine. But possible. Stuff happens.
Nov 8, 2011 14:11:32 #
I come from a different generation when people in general weren't so rude. Yes, you had every right to be offended. Knowing my personality, I would have said something and made them extremely uncomfortable.
Nov 8, 2011 14:17:23 #
Public venues are 'first come, first serve' in my opinion. If you want it the next time, be there first... otherwise, stay the heck out of my framing until I'm done.
It has less to do with bullies, than it does respect & common sense in my opinion.
Granted, I don't shoot many portraits... but sometimes respect much be demanded. That's not bullying, that's called being assertive.
I don't agree with the 'taping off' of any area... ever. You'd spend more time putting up & taking down the tape than most people would spend shooting.
I have a portable camping shower I have set up for clothing changes 'in the field' - and do have a sign that says 'Photo shot in session' that I hang from it... and for the portrait stuff, I've never YET had a problem with other photographers. Only in the sporting stuff... like basket ball or foot ball games... never yet at Track Meets (most of those photographers work together, around each other, and share some competitive pride showing off some amazing shot they just captured... because the timing was perfect).
It has less to do with bullies, than it does respect & common sense in my opinion.
Granted, I don't shoot many portraits... but sometimes respect much be demanded. That's not bullying, that's called being assertive.
I don't agree with the 'taping off' of any area... ever. You'd spend more time putting up & taking down the tape than most people would spend shooting.
I have a portable camping shower I have set up for clothing changes 'in the field' - and do have a sign that says 'Photo shot in session' that I hang from it... and for the portrait stuff, I've never YET had a problem with other photographers. Only in the sporting stuff... like basket ball or foot ball games... never yet at Track Meets (most of those photographers work together, around each other, and share some competitive pride showing off some amazing shot they just captured... because the timing was perfect).
Nov 8, 2011 14:17:58 #
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