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May 7, 2020 08:58:17   #
dave.speeking Loc: Brooklyn OH
 
I bought two digitals and received one as a gift before crop factor came into my life.
It concerned me for about ten seconds. Then I remembered WYSIWYG.

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May 7, 2020 09:05:12   #
bleirer
 
John7199 wrote:
I understand my Nikon D5600 is not full frame. What exactly does that mean? Will what I see in the viewfinder be in the picture? will it be bigger, smaller? I guess it has effect on the lens as well. So what does a 200 - 400 zoom lens show as.
Keep in mind that you are talking to a digital newbie, please don't throw around terms that "I should know".
Thanks Hoggers


Crop cameras usually squeeze the photosites on the sensor closer together, which has advantages and disadvantages. Your camera sensor still holds 24 megapixels even though it is smaller than a full frame camera sensor, that is a similar number to some full frame sensors. They do that by making the photosites smaller and closer together. The minus to that can be that you might have not as good low light performance, less dynamic range, more image noise, less ability to isolate a subject from the background. The plus is that you get better depth of field, more 'reach' for far away subjects, smaller lighter lenses, less cost.

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May 7, 2020 09:33:34   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Wow, way to confuse a newbie. Essentially it doesn’t matter. Whatever size sensor you choose will pretty much capture what you see in the viewfinder. Yes, there are differences, but as a beginner they won’t be important for you.

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May 7, 2020 10:06:13   #
drobvit Loc: Southern NV
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If your sensor throws away 50% of the frame, how will you ever achieve your potential as a photographer?


I guess that double exposing would give you 100%πŸ€”

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May 7, 2020 10:12:11   #
Edia Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Sensor size is a relative thing. 35 mm is called "full frame" because it is the same size as 35mm film. When 35mm film was developed, it led to smaller, lighter and more portable cameras. There are larger sensor cameras out there like the Hasselblad and even 8x10. Crop sensor cameras are no less capable of capturing images than full frame cameras. What is different is that larger sensors can capture more light than a crop sensor. In low light situations, a full frame camera will produce lower noise images than a crop sensor camera. Also, the full frame camera will provide a wider angle for a given focal length than a crop sensor camera which may be important in Landscape photography. Full frame cameras will produce better bokeh for a given focal length. However, these advantages come at a cost of higher costs and larger and heavier construction. In sports and wildlife photography, crop sensor cameras are cheaper and lighter and require smaller lenses. For all around photography, lighter, cheaper and smaller is usually better. In good light, a modern smart phone with it's small sensor can get some terrific photos. You have to decide what type of photographer you are and what type of photographer you want to become.

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May 7, 2020 10:12:36   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
A full frame set to expose the entire sensor area ( you can control this) will enlarge much larger, retaining resolution, and gather more light, than a crop sensor can. The full frame sensor is about 2.5x the image capture area of a crop sensor. This is math- there is no arguing it.

You aren't throwing anything away.. unless you use a DX lens on a full frame... then you will only get the center of your full frame sensor exposed. An FX lens on a crop sensor camera, will expose the full crop sensor area, but you could have gotten a lot more, I know when you crop a full frame sensor in the camera settings, you can see the entire area in your viewfinder, but you won't get the edges recorded... same if you mount a DX lens on a full frame... the area around the outside edge is darker.. this is your hint that you aren't getting that part exposed.

So here is the deal. A sensor can be though of as a size of film... a full frame is about a 35 mm, a crop sensor is more of those little disposable instamatics from way back when- not an exact size match, but you should get the idea, it is a physical size issue. Like wise, I used to professionally be involved with shooting 2.25" x 2.25" and 4" x 5" and even 8" x 10" chromes. these are amazing detail!! and superior, all things considered, to a 35mm chrome.

Thing is , when you get a full frame camera, you need to get the best lenses to really unlock their potential. And post production means you will be a handling a much larger file size. Thus perhaps a better computer system, and more storage, etc. etc. it is all around more expensive. It is also all around technically superior..

However, like a Stradivarius in the hands of a neophyte and a world class musician on a student grade violin.. It's the talent that decides which final product is superior in the end. But Itzhak Perlman can get his Stradivarius to deliver both their potential and it is magic.

Well here... look at this.
https://www.keh.com/blog/full-frame-vs-crop-sensor-cameras/

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May 7, 2020 10:47:18   #
ELNikkor
 
In the '60's, Olympus made half-frame film cameras that would take 72 photos on a 35mm roll which normally took only 36 photos. Most people only printed 3 1/2 x 5 inch photos at the time, and they looked fine; even 8x10s still looked good. The benefit was having a smaller, lighter. less expensive camera. Nowadays, having a smaller sensor does not save you the cost of film, but you still can have the advantages of "smaller, lighter, less expensive" and still get the image quality up to the most-used enlargements. The larger "full frame" 24x36 sensors do give an advantage of having larger pixels which can add dynamic range, (or low-light abilities), but the difference is not that often a factor for most photographers.

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May 7, 2020 10:49:58   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If your sensor throws away 50% of the frame, how will you ever achieve your potential as a photographer?


If one uses the Full-Frame of a Crop Sensor camera, maximum enlightenment is achieved.

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May 7, 2020 11:01:01   #
Canisdirus
 
Full frame is a marketing term...It's equivalent to the 35mm film days.
Medium format is the real full-frame today...digitally.
There is a project in the works for a real full-frame digital camera ... the LS911 ... around $100k.
It's not a viable candidate for the real world however, so medium format is the actual FF king.

Crop is strongest for sports and wildlife...
35mm is strongest for portraits and landscapes.

If you go 35mm ... you will want to buy the very best lenses, as the sensor will show every problem your lens has...more than a crop sensor will. Lenses tend to have a centered sweet spot, and crop takes advantage of that more than 35mm does.

If you just want to have fun... it doesn't matter either way.

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May 7, 2020 11:12:32   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
John7199 wrote:
I understand my Nikon D5600 is not full frame. What exactly does that mean? Will what I see in the viewfinder be in the picture? will it be bigger, smaller? I guess it has effect on the lens as well. So what does a 200 - 400 zoom lens show as.
Keep in mind that you are talking to a digital newbie, please don't throw around terms that "I should know".
Thanks Hoggers


Full frame is a term used that compares the size of the sensor in the camera to a 35mm frame of film from a film camera. Your D5600 has a much smaller sensor kind of like perhaps a 110 film frame. If you don't know film, then this is probably all greek to you but suffice it to say, full frame has a larger sensor than your crop sensor cameras sensor. The larger the sensor, and the larger the film, the better results can be achieved for print purposes.

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May 7, 2020 11:27:30   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The meeting of preparation with opportunity generates the offspring we now call a full-frame camera.

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May 7, 2020 12:18:21   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The meeting of preparation with opportunity generates the offspring we now call a full-frame camera.


The willingness of the offspring to use the Full-Frame of a Crop-Sensor shall introduce the opportunity of enlightenment.

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May 7, 2020 12:21:39   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
yorkiebyte wrote:
If one uses the Full-Frame of a Crop Sensor camera, maximum enlightenment is achieved.



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May 7, 2020 12:53:48   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Try a lens simulator - educational and fun.

https://www.sigma-imaging-uk.com/focal-length-simulator/
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/simulator/
https://hisgallery.com/blog/collection-of-online-camera-simulators-lens-simulators
http://canonfeatures.ca/comparison-tool
https://www.diyphotography.net/use-nikons-lens-simulator-to-pick-your-next-lens-non-nikon-shooters-too/

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May 7, 2020 13:50:13   #
ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or
 


πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ» A picture is worth 1000 words

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