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Apr 16, 2020 09:51:03   #
phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Until all Americans sit serves tand up and join the citizens of Michigan and say enough is enough.
90% of the country is minimally affected if at all.
Especially the mid-west and rocky mountain west have huge areas that already practice social distancing every day anyway.



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Apr 16, 2020 10:05:32   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Until all Americans stand up and join the citizens of Michigan and say enough is enough.
90% of the country is minimally affected if at all.
Especially the mid-west and rocky mountain west have huge areas that already practice social distancing every day anyway.

Like Smithfield in South Dakota???

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Apr 16, 2020 10:25:20   #
OlinBost Loc: Marietta, Ga.
 
whfowle wrote:
Quote from Wired report: "Factoring in what’s known about Covid-19’s rate of spread and severity, they found social distancing interventions, if timed well, would likely need to extend into 2022 to get the new virus under control."
I don't trust the Chinese. What we may be witnessing is the beginning of biological warfare in the modern era. There is some evidence that this virus didn't start in the wet markets but the Wuhan bio lab right down the street from the market.
A virus of any kind is hard to defeat. Vaccines help to establish some immunity but wear off over time. Each new virus needs a new vaccine and vaccines take about 12-18 months to develop. Up till now, the world has only experienced mild viruses like the common cold. These new viruses like SARS, swine flu, and some of the others we have seen over the past 10 years are quite deadly. Most countries are not prepared to fight this kind of virus. This may be the wakeup call that gets the medical community to work harder.
Quote from Wired report: "Factoring in what’s... (show quote)


From one of the reports that I have read it seems that the virus did originate in a lab that was being paid by a US group. I suspect the CIA. And it got out of hand. The Chinese also has lied about the numbers, probably 50 to 60 K have died. The end is not hear.

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Apr 16, 2020 10:29:46   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
rehess wrote:
Apparently they expect to use First Responders as a "large scale test" this fall, which could "kill two birds with one stone" if everything works out.


Bad choice of metaphor. If the test kills the First Responders, the rest of us will be the second bird !

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Apr 16, 2020 10:34:39   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Until all Americans stand up and join the citizens of Michigan and say enough is enough.
90% of the country is minimally affected if at all.
Especially the mid-west and rocky mountain west have huge areas that already practice social distancing every day anyway.


So maybe the other 300 million plus Americans should swarm into the mid-west and Rockies for safety. Plenty of room for everybody out there.

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Apr 16, 2020 10:35:54   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
repleo wrote:
Bad choice of metaphor. If the test kills the First Responders, the rest of us will be the second bird !

The testing that precedes this is supposed to prove safety. I trust them to do it right,
This is one reason a vaccine "takes so long" to develop.

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Apr 16, 2020 10:46:34   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
Paul Diamond wrote:
Dribs and dabs of info don't give a 'full picture'. Maybe no one actually knows! A doctor tells of someone who has recovered from Covid, but tests positive up to a month after recovery. Another story is about people who recover and don't have any immunity from another case, or have 'limited' immunity for maybe 6 months!

Perhaps it is because all of us are experiencing this for the first of many times!

Here is a link to a story in Wired Magazine about what we may have learned from China, S. Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, etc. about letting their 'guard' down too soon.

https://www.wired.com/story/what-if-covid-19-returns-every-year-like-the-common-cold/#intcid=recommendations_default-popular_4923325a-8854-4991-8225-6804b909241d_popular4-1

We all need to know more about what we might have to expect in our collective futures.
Dribs and dabs of info don't give a 'full picture'... (show quote)


Do you know someone with a crystal ball to see into the future?

The current pandemic is a few months old. The Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 lasted three years.

So what do you want to know?

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Apr 16, 2020 10:51:46   #
Toby
 
cameranut wrote:
No mere mortal knows the answer to that, but I have a feeling there will be no end to this as long as there are any people left to spread it. This is the "new normal."


I find it interesting that in Ohio and Michigan and probably other states people are protesting (in some cases damn near rioting) about the shut down. Most not wearing masks and standing next to each other. If they had any brains they would try to follow the Medical suggestions and the shut down would be shorter.

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Apr 16, 2020 10:53:20   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
Here's the article about how China, HK, Singapore, Taiwan decided the 'peak' was over and opened up their society too soon to a re-emergence of Covid-19. Taiwanese left safety to take a vacation in Europe, bringing home more of Covid??? Business travelers bringing in fresh outbreaks?

https://www.wired.com/story/the-asian-countries-that-beat-covid-19-have-to-do-it-again/

Let's all be careful. And continue to be cautious. How can we live our lives, stay safer, be cautious, not let our guard down - for the sake of ourselves and everyone else. The USA is One Boat. We are all travelers and participants in helping ourselves, our families and everyone else, if we are concerned about all of us. Please participate in any way you can.

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Apr 16, 2020 11:11:20   #
Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
aikiboy wrote:
I never know what to say when people say that, but you're welcome. As a psychiatric counselor, I would not have imagined a need for my services under these circumstances, but there it is. A pandemic is something which has been a possibility for a long time but, even so, we really could not have imagined the reality. Fortunately, Maryland doesn't appear to be on the same trajectory as New York City, but we are still on the way up, so we'll see.


Thank you for seeing it through.

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Apr 16, 2020 11:11:51   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Until all Americans stand up and join the citizens of Michigan and say enough is enough.
90% of the country is minimally affected if at all.
Especially the mid-west and rocky mountain west have huge areas that already practice social distancing every day anyway.


The hysteria needs to stop and reason needs to begin.

So far about 137,000 people (0.002%) of humanity has died from COVID-19. Each year 12,000 -61,000 people die from the flu each year in the US alone. 17 million die from infectious disease and 60 million die from all causes each year. Every day you run the risk of dying of something. You may fall in the tub, be hit by a car. etc. Many of the other causes are, indeed, more likely than dying of COVID-19. There are also many folks that have been infected that do not know that they were infected as they had no symptoms. Is a disease with no symptoms a disease?


No country can survive with millions of people who are deprived by the government of a means of making a living. Depriving folks of making a living is a type of slavery. I assure that millions of homeless drifters will not be social distancing and may even kill you for your property. We will have to return to full employment and folks will need to take some risks. $1200 checks are not going to cut it.

As someone who has read and lived history, I assure you come winter if folks are cold and hungry there will be revolution and it won't be pleasant. I personally saw the revolution in Romania in 1989 - the folks were cold and hungry and finally uncontrollably angry. The Romanians were very nice to me at that time, however.

The Governor of Michigan, for instance, made a lot of rules that reasonably irritate the folks and no they are already getting mad. Fortunately, other Governors have been somewhat more wise.

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Apr 16, 2020 11:14:04   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Paul Diamond wrote:
Here's the article about how China, HK, Singapore, Taiwan decided the 'peak' was over and opened up their society too soon to a re-emergence of Covid-19. Taiwanese left safety to take a vacation in Europe, bringing home more of Covid??? Business travelers bringing in fresh outbreaks?

https://www.wired.com/story/the-asian-countries-that-beat-covid-19-have-to-do-it-again/

Let's all be careful. And continue to be cautious. How can we live our lives, stay safer, be cautious, not let our guard down - for the sake of ourselves and everyone else. The USA is One Boat. We are all travelers and participants in helping ourselves, our families and everyone else, if we are concerned about all of us. Please participate in any way you can.
Here's the article about how China, HK, Singapore,... (show quote)

Apparently some scientists now believe that the most infectious stage of this virus appears before any symptoms show - which means we need to be very careful on how we plan things.

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Apr 16, 2020 11:16:22   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Paul Diamond wrote:
Dribs and dabs of info don't give a 'full picture'. Maybe no one actually knows! A doctor tells of someone who has recovered from Covid, but tests positive up to a month after recovery. Another story is about people who recover and don't have any immunity from another case, or have 'limited' immunity for maybe 6 months!

Perhaps it is because all of us are experiencing this for the first of many times!

Here is a link to a story in Wired Magazine about what we may have learned from China, S. Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, etc. about letting their 'guard' down too soon.

https://www.wired.com/story/what-if-covid-19-returns-every-year-like-the-common-cold/#intcid=recommendations_default-popular_4923325a-8854-4991-8225-6804b909241d_popular4-1

We all need to know more about what we might have to expect in our collective futures.
Dribs and dabs of info don't give a 'full picture'... (show quote)


It sounds as if you are just starting to realize we don't know what we don't know. Yes this is our first time with this virus. Seriously what did you expect. Under the circumstances America and the world are doing pretty well. The death toll is pretty low compared to the number of those who have the virus.

Dennis

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Apr 16, 2020 11:19:33   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
aikiboy wrote:
The theory that this is a bio weapon came from Danny Shoham and has spread widely but is discredited:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/29/coronavirus-china-lab-mortality-virology-wuhan-virus-not-bioweapon/

I would not trust the Chinese (or a number of other governments) to provide accurate and timely data, but beginning a biological war seems to be pushing the envelope pretty far. There has also been some fairly good research indicating that the virus jumped from bats to pigs, civets, and pangolins prior to making the jump to humans. I agree that vaccines take a long time to develop, though this one may be faster than usual as the technology has improved.
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If you click on Quote Reply before answering we will all know who you are replying to. It helps a lot to keep the thread straight.

Dennis

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Apr 16, 2020 11:20:41   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Until all Americans stand up and join the citizens of Michigan and say enough is enough.
90% of the country is minimally affected if at all.
Especially the mid-west and rocky mountain west have huge areas that already practice social distancing every day anyway.




Dennis

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