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Mar 20, 2020 17:02:10   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
insman1132 wrote:
Somebody once told me that if you can read the sign you are trespassing??

I doubt that. The CN railroad has ringed their yard in town with signs that can be read from the public street ..... I need to photograph one someday.

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Mar 20, 2020 17:36:07   #
cochese
 
At my hunting camp the signs I oosted say "Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again". Nuff said.

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Mar 20, 2020 18:27:57   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Kinda thought this one might spark a good discussion. For myself, I have a high respect for other folks property, land or whatever. But I have seen where the tourist bureau of a county or state, in an effort to promote visitation and bring more money into the area, will print/distribute brochures and the like telling visitors about Points of Interest (and how to find them) in the area. Often this printed material will show a photo of the subject (that is on public land) that has obviously been photographed from on the "Private Property."

I know this is a touchy subject, but in my original question, I asked "If we tread lightly taking only photos and leaving only footprints", and make it a "quick shot", where exactly is the harm?
Kinda thought this one might spark a good discussi... (show quote)


I understand what you are saying, but would like to ask if you live in a house with a yard? If so would it be ok with you if I walked around on your lawn and took pictures, perhaps, of your house which I happen to find interesting?

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Mar 20, 2020 18:35:39   #
JohnH3 Loc: Auburn, AL
 
It is as simple as respectfully asking for permission in most instances. I think it is important to be respectful of the boundaries that people establish for what is theirs. A little common courtesy often goes a very long way.

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Mar 20, 2020 18:37:38   #
2Much Loc: WA
 
Hopefully the uninformed opinions expressed throughout this post regarding use of firearms and deadly force are simple bluster. Using or brandishing a weapon without an actual understanding of your state's self defense laws would likely result in a terribly rude awakening.

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Mar 20, 2020 18:40:36   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
Mac wrote:
But we are not talking about an accident with injuries, we are talking about taking a photograph.


We are talking about taking a photograph on land that I paid for, work to keep up, pay taxes on, have stuff around that I don't care to have univited folks being around. Would it be ok if I came and walked around your yard and took pictures, perhaps, even of your house which I am sure I would find interesting. If you don't have a house and live in an apartment, perhaps, you could let me in so I could photograph some of your interesting furnishings. Of course I would not be invading your privacy, after all it is just a photograph.

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Mar 20, 2020 18:47:03   #
barryb Loc: Kansas
 
As a photographer and a land owner I can see both sides.The reason many landowners are protective is because they have had to deal with many that did not treat their property with respect, and left a big mess that the owner was forced to clean up. If we are respectful, stay on public land, do not open gates that could let livestock get out, you will be treated with the same respect that you gave.

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Mar 20, 2020 19:06:56   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 
Richard1947 wrote:
Good topic for discussion. Personally I try to stay away from the No Trespassing areas now that I am 72. I just canโ€™t run as fast as I used to and I am not real fond of getting shot at. Now when I was in my 20โ€™s and was invulnerable (as I thought), I took some risks that make wonder today what in the hell was I thinking.




Don

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Mar 20, 2020 19:45:32   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Harvey wrote:
I don't know how many other states have this law but Colorado has law that says you need to ask permission to go on any property that you don't own. My cousin has trouble with fisherman on his ranch.


I don't know either Harvey but you are correct in that some states do have that law. Other states allow entry onto the property IF the property is not properly posted as to No Trespassing. Properly means the signs must be a specified distance away from each other such as 1/4 mile. Laws depend on each state.

Dennis

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Mar 20, 2020 19:49:43   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Of course not. I'm just questioning the value of no trespassing signs. To be valuable they should have some information (maybe why you shouldn't pass, who owns the land, who is expected to enforce the order...).

There are valid reasons for a no trespassing order. But the sign loses a lot of its impact if those reasons are not stated.



The only reason needed is that they own the property and do not want trespassers. The state may have eminent domain, but you do not. Not all property is public and you should respect the rights of the owners. Where I grew up, we were taught that we should treat all property as if it were posted and get permission if we wanted/needed to violate the rule.

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Mar 20, 2020 19:49:44   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Jim Eads wrote:
As a kid my friend and I were shot at by a rancher with a 12 gauge and rock salt because we were hiking and crawled under his barbed wire fence and onto his property. We were scared to death and only forgave him when we found out he did so to scare us off because there was a huge man-killing bull ranging in the area we had walked into. Sometimes signs are there for a reason.


I say this with tongue deeply imbedded in cheek but you forgave HIM after finding out about the bull? Hmmmm. I wonder if you shouldn't have asked forgiveness from him for your trespassing.

But there is a perfect example of how IF you and your friend had been trampled and gored to death by that bull your combined parents would probably have sued the rancher for your deaths even though he had done not one thing wrong to aid in the deaths.

While I am only funning with you your example brings up good points.

Dennis

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Mar 20, 2020 19:53:57   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Sue the Bull not the rancher...๐Ÿ˜ณ๐Ÿ˜Ž

dennis2146 wrote:
I say this with tongue deeply imbedded in cheek but you forgave HIM after finding out about the bull? Hmmmm. I wonder if you shouldn't have asked forgiveness from him for your trespassing.

But there is a perfect example of how IF you and your friend had been trampled and gored to death by that bull your combined parents would probably have sued the rancher for your deaths even though he had done not one thing wrong to aid in the deaths.

While I am only funning with you your example brings up good points.

Dennis
I say this with tongue deeply imbedded in cheek bu... (show quote)

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Mar 20, 2020 19:55:12   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I say this with tongue deeply imbedded in cheek but you forgave HIM after finding out about the bull? Hmmmm. I wonder if you shouldn't have asked forgiveness from him for your trespassing.

But there is a perfect example of how IF you and your friend had been trampled and gored to death by that bull your combined parents would probably have sued the rancher for your deaths even though he had done not one thing wrong to aid in the deaths.

While I am only funning with you your example brings up good points.

Dennis
I say this with tongue deeply imbedded in cheek bu... (show quote)


Dennis I came from a generation where parents didnt sue for stupidity of their kids. There weren't any signs where we went under the fence but kids knew that "Old Amos" would chase kids off the property with a shotgun if you dare cross the property. We didn't know why and we didn't know if the stories were true. It was local folk lore. We found out the truth in the lore! LOL

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Mar 20, 2020 19:59:12   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
2Much wrote:
Hopefully the uninformed opinions expressed throughout this post regarding use of firearms and deadly force are simple bluster. Using or brandishing a weapon without an actual understanding of your state's self defense laws would likely result in a terribly rude awakening.




I completely agree with the bluster of SOME people. It was amusing to me when as a LEO back in the 1970's people would tell me while I was taking a burglary report at their home that if someone was breaking into their house they would shoot the suspect and then arrange the body by a window to make it appear he was just coming in that way.

Of course as a deputy coroner I reminded them about body fluids settling, moving the body being against the law and so forth. But it seems common for some people even on the Internet to put up a show of force with unlimited amounts of bluster and violence headed toward anybody who would do them harm or even think about it.

While we all DO have a right to self defense for ourselves and other people the after math of going to court, law suits and the negative mental anguish of taking the life of someone else even when properly justified does not seem to equal out. I am not at all saying to not protect you and yours but the use of common sense should always be the first rung on the ladder.

Dennis

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Mar 20, 2020 20:05:58   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Jim Eads wrote:
Dennis I came from a generation where parents didnt sue for stupidity of their kids. There weren't any signs where we went under the fence but kids knew that "Old Amos" would chase kids off the property with a shotgun if you dare cross the property. We didn't know why and we didn't know if the stories were true. It was local folk lore. We found out the truth in the lore! LOL


Believe me my brothers and I also knew of farmers and ranchers who had shotguns loaded with rock salt. In no way was I trying to put you down or minimize your anecdote. When I had my ranch in Colorado my wife and I went to look at a piece of property with our realtor. We were looking to almost double our land holdings at the time. The rancher was a heck of a nice guy, served us near raw hamburgers from a steer he had just had butchered a month back and had a beautiful home. He truly was an old old cowboy type rancher. But rumor had it that back in the 1930's there was a trespasser several times on his ranch. He had, according to rumor told the trespasser to stay off his ranch but the trespasser persisted in trespassing. The rancher shot and killed him. He never served a day in jail nor to my knowledge was there more of an investigation than the sheriff asking him what happened. The rancher explained as I just did and the sheriff said OK. I am not sure if that is a true story or not but it sure has become true from the telling. I am pretty sure such occurrences happened throughout the United States.

Dennis

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