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Mar 19, 2020 13:01:53   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Kinda thought this one might spark a good discussion. For myself, I have a high respect for other folks property, land or whatever. But I have seen where the tourist bureau of a county or state, in an effort to promote visitation and bring more money into the area, will print/distribute brochures and the like telling visitors about Points of Interest (and how to find them) in the area. Often this printed material will show a photo of the subject (that is on public land) that has obviously been photographed from on the "Private Property."

I know this is a touchy subject, but in my original question, I asked "If we tread lightly taking only photos and leaving only footprints", and make it a "quick shot", where exactly is the harm?
Kinda thought this one might spark a good discussi... (show quote)


I see what you are saying, a quick in and out without disturbing anything. But maybe people could see you in there and think it's ok for them too.
A number of years ago when I was still living in Pittsburgh, there was a railroad box car sitting on a siding that I thought I could get some good pictures on and around. I wrote the railroad for permission to shoot on it. It took about two weeks, but I finally got a letter from the railroad giving me permission. While I was photographing a police car stopped and questioned me because I was trespassing. I showed him the letter and he went away happy.

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Mar 19, 2020 13:08:51   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
cameraf4 wrote:
I understand that folks in my parents' generation would be appalled at the lack of respect for other people and their "things" among so many 21st century Americans, and rightly so. When I was growing up, we "kids" ranged all over town, in anyone's "yard", and nobody minded because there was literally no vandalism or property damage going on.
I have found so many public structures (covered wooden bridges, 19th century stone-arch bridges, etc) where the folks who own the properties next to them put up more "No Trespassing/Keep Out" signs than there are Billboards on I-95 around Philly.
I do admit that some of my favorite photos were taken while I was standing next to a "Trespassers Will Be Shot" sign.
I was just wondering; If we tread lightly taking only photos and leaving only footprints, how do other Hogs feel we should handle such situations? If you were to enter into "The Forbidden Zone" for a shot, how far off the highway would you venture?
I understand that folks in my parents' generation ... (show quote)


I've owned property that many people have trespassed on, giving me many reasons why they should be able to do that. In one case, I pointed out that I would not open their gate and sit down by their pool uninvited. People who want to do the wrong thing always come up with a good justification. This is America and we have the right to own private property and we have a right to keep it private. In 20 years or so this may not be the case given the number of people who would have voted for Sanders as president. I do not trespass to take photos because I respect the private property rights of others.

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Mar 19, 2020 13:27:39   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Mac wrote:
Are you saying that your wants (a picture) is more important than the property owner's rights?


Of course not. I'm just questioning the value of no trespassing signs. To be valuable they should have some information (maybe why you shouldn't pass, who owns the land, who is expected to enforce the order...).

There are valid reasons for a no trespassing order. But the sign loses a lot of its impact if those reasons are not stated.

There are also valid reasons for people to pass such a sign. An accident where someone is injured within the no trespassing area. In such a case you would need to inform the landowner what is happening, particular if the reason is something dangerous.

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Mar 19, 2020 20:06:14   #
Woodsman Loc: North of Peterborough Ontario
 
Richard1947 wrote:
Good topic for discussion. Personally I try to stay away from the No Trespassing areas now that I am 72. I just can’t run as fast as I used to and I am not real fond of getting shot at. Now when I was in my 20’s and was invulnerable (as I thought), I took some risks that make wonder today what in the hell was I thinking.



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Mar 19, 2020 20:52:27   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Of course not. I'm just questioning the value of no trespassing signs. To be valuable they should have some information (maybe why you shouldn't pass, who owns the land, who is expected to enforce the order...).

There are valid reasons for a no trespassing order. But the sign loses a lot of its impact if those reasons are not stated.

There are also valid reasons for people to pass such a sign. An accident where someone is injured within the no trespassing area. In such a case you would need to inform the landowner what is happening, particular if the reason is something dangerous.
Of course not. I'm just questioning the value of n... (show quote)


But we are not talking about an accident with injuries, we are talking about taking a photograph.

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Mar 19, 2020 21:37:21   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
cameraf4 wrote:
I know this is a touchy subject, but in my original question, I asked "If we tread lightly taking only photos and leaving only footprints", and make it a "quick shot", where exactly is the harm?

Simply being on property which someone else thought was 'private' may do harm to their sense of privacy when they see someone has been there.

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Mar 19, 2020 21:45:10   #
User ID
 
cameraf4 wrote:
............
I do admit that some of my favorite photos were
taken while I was standing next to a "Trespassers
Will Be Shot" sign.

I was just wondering; If we tread lightly taking
only photos and leaving only footprints, how do
other Hogs feel we should handle such situations?
If you were to enter into "The Forbidden Zone"
for a shot, how far off the highway would you
venture?


How far ? ZERO mm.

What about only 5ft ? Well, if you can go 5ft
for something as non-urgent as a snapshot,
then someone else can go 5ft for something
more urgent, like to "water the lawn".

So ... ZERO.

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Mar 19, 2020 21:52:27   #
User ID
 
DirtFarmer wrote:


Suppose you see a "no trespassing" sign on
a yard with a house in the background? Do
you knock on the door? You're trespassing
just to get to the house.


Not so.

Words actual DO have meanings.

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Mar 20, 2020 01:42:50   #
Shootist Loc: Wyoming
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Kinda thought this one might spark a good discussion. For myself, I have a high respect for other folks property, land or whatever. But I have seen where the tourist bureau of a county or state, in an effort to promote visitation and bring more money into the area, will print/distribute brochures and the like telling visitors about Points of Interest (and how to find them) in the area. Often this printed material will show a photo of the subject (that is on public land) that has obviously been photographed from on the "Private Property."

I know this is a touchy subject, but in my original question, I asked "If we tread lightly taking only photos and leaving only footprints", and make it a "quick shot", where exactly is the harm?
Kinda thought this one might spark a good discussi... (show quote)


I would say "the harm" is that when we ignore inconvenient laws (trespassing is against the law) we weaken society for all of us. When we can ignore the law for our own convenience the law becomes useless and our country becomes a place where no one is safe. Laws are a compact we make among ourselves to protect us from ourselves.

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Mar 20, 2020 06:11:53   #
Ollieboy
 
Walk softly and carry a big lens. (From the road)

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Mar 20, 2020 06:16:14   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
cameraf4 wrote:
I understand that folks in my parents' generation would be appalled at the lack of respect for other people and their "things" among so many 21st century Americans, and rightly so. When I was growing up, we "kids" ranged all over town, in anyone's "yard", and nobody minded because there was literally no vandalism or property damage going on.
I have found so many public structures (covered wooden bridges, 19th century stone-arch bridges, etc) where the folks who own the properties next to them put up more "No Trespassing/Keep Out" signs than there are Billboards on I-95 around Philly.
I do admit that some of my favorite photos were taken while I was standing next to a "Trespassers Will Be Shot" sign.
I was just wondering; If we tread lightly taking only photos and leaving only footprints, how do other Hogs feel we should handle such situations? If you were to enter into "The Forbidden Zone" for a shot, how far off the highway would you venture?
I understand that folks in my parents' generation ... (show quote)


Go ahead do what you will. Why should you care about the rights of the person who owns the property? I mean who are they in comparison to you and your wants.

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Mar 20, 2020 06:32:57   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
cameraf4 wrote:
I understand that folks in my parents' generation would be appalled at the lack of respect for other people and their "things" among so many 21st century Americans, and rightly so. When I was growing up, we "kids" ranged all over town, in anyone's "yard", and nobody minded because there was literally no vandalism or property damage going on.
I have found so many public structures (covered wooden bridges, 19th century stone-arch bridges, etc) where the folks who own the properties next to them put up more "No Trespassing/Keep Out" signs than there are Billboards on I-95 around Philly.
I do admit that some of my favorite photos were taken while I was standing next to a "Trespassers Will Be Shot" sign.
I was just wondering; If we tread lightly taking only photos and leaving only footprints, how do other Hogs feel we should handle such situations? If you were to enter into "The Forbidden Zone" for a shot, how far off the highway would you venture?
I understand that folks in my parents' generation ... (show quote)


I respect all No Trespassing signs, just like I respect all stop signs, yield signs, do not enter signs. They are there for a reason. Unless you have permission from the property owner you are not welcome.

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Mar 20, 2020 06:45:06   #
New Mexico Dave Loc: Corrales, NM
 
In some parts of rural America, one needs to be careful. I took this message seriously. Photography from a public road is one thing, but disregarding a warning such as this one could be foolish.



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Mar 20, 2020 06:49:42   #
New Mexico Dave Loc: Corrales, NM
 
No political opinions, please. This is about photography and private property / trespass issues.

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Mar 20, 2020 06:58:27   #
NormanTheGr8 Loc: Racine, Wisconsin
 
williejoha wrote:
NO TRESPASSING Means exactly that. Stay out. As a property owner I had to clean up after people just too many times. I know, that a few punks ruin it for a lot of people but how am I to know who is who. Hunters as a whole are pretty good people but too many times fences and other stuff on my land had to be fixed and removing bags of household garbage was common. I don’t like it either when I have to put up gates or chains across the driveway to keep people out because I am an absent owner.
WJH
NO TRESPASSING Means exactly that. Stay out. As a ... (show quote)


Right you are, if you wish to go onto the posted property ASK PERMISSION ! I have found when asked most land owners are happy to allow you access as long as you stick to your requested reason . It may take some research at the County Clerks /Register of Deeds office but it can be done (you may even be able to do it online). Also if ya get a nice shot print one up for the land owner and give it to them.

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