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Mar 4, 2020 09:23:23   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Evolution


LOL

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Mar 4, 2020 10:08:25   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Evolution


Good one!!!

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Mar 4, 2020 11:10:43   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
fourlocks wrote:
There was a good Nova last week and one about 3 years ago on just this subject. The older show detailed efforts to somewhat domesticate a very aggressive wild Russian red (color, not political persuasion) dog. While most would snarl and try to bite anyone even approaching the cage, there were a few less aggressive toward humans. Those dogs were separated, bred and re-bred, always selecting the most docile from each generation. Within a few generations, researchers had dogs that were comfortable around humans. They also noticed extremely wide variations in color, size and shape within a few generations so it appears the genes that allow for human interaction are linked to variations in physical attributes. This allowed for a vast differentiation in sub-species within a fairly short period of time.

Personally, I always thought it a good argument AGAINST evolutionary theory to insist something like a Shih Tzu or Lhasa Apso decended from a wolf but I suppose anything's possible.
There was a good Nova last week and one about 3 ye... (show quote)


Those were Russian foxes, not dogs. I found that story fascinating on what happens to wild foxes as they are domesticated. I wondered if other domesticated animals (like cows, chickens, etc) went through such physical changes as they were domesticated for use by humankind.

Stan

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Mar 4, 2020 11:10:46   #
Zooman 1
 
Have not kept up to date on it, but last I looked the Asian wolf was suspected to be the ancestor of domestic dogs. Domestication happened at least 16,000 years ago BCE. Check out the dingo line of dogs to get an idea what early dogs looked like. Also, my favorite the New Guinea Singing dog, also called the Highland dog.

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Mar 4, 2020 11:37:30   #
St.Mary's
 
I repeat, "All dogs go to heaven."

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Mar 4, 2020 11:42:22   #
bodiebill
 
Dogs are Magic!!

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Mar 4, 2020 11:56:07   #
PaulBrit Loc: Merlin, Southern Oregon
 
bodiebill wrote:
Dogs are Magic!!


Beyond any doubt!

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Mar 4, 2020 13:58:32   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Evolution

Love it!

bwa

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Mar 4, 2020 14:03:04   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
bull drink water wrote:
a recent commercial claimed all dogs decended from wolves. if that is so, how did they shrink bown to the little ankle biters some keep as lap dogs? what did they cross bred with?


There is such a thing as recessive genes. A recessive gene can make itself apparent anytime in the evolutionary process. Mating two "purebred" dogs can, at random, produce offspring totally different.

Wolves possess recessive genes, so if some wolves produced little dogs, or different color dogs, or long-eared dogs or any other trait, those "unusual" offspring can be bred to each other over (many) years make the once-recessive traits now dominant. Then eventually, the American Kennel Club recognizes something as a "new breed" for pedigree purposes.

Simple.

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Mar 4, 2020 14:06:31   #
jaycoffman Loc: San Diego
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Evolution


Dang! I didn't scroll down enough and was just about to post this one. I think this explains it all...

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Mar 4, 2020 14:37:56   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
They are from wolves. DNA comparisons show that very clearly. The majority of the breeds around today were developed over the past 200 years from older domesticated breeds of dogs, but of course their earliest domestication started many thousands of years ago. An interesting recent documentary about the evolution of dogs is here: https://www.pbs.org/video/dog-tales-vskr2y/
I thought I knew a lot about this subject, but this documentary taught me a lot!

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Mar 4, 2020 14:50:46   #
Stephan G
 
StanMac wrote:
Those were Russian foxes, not dogs. I found that story fascinating on what happens to wild foxes as they are domesticated. I wondered if other domesticated animals (like cows, chickens, etc) went through such physical changes as they were domesticated for use by humankind.

Stan


Some of them might have morphed into politicians. The Russian foxes, that is.

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Mar 4, 2020 14:55:20   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
bull drink water wrote:
a recent commercial claimed all dogs decended from wolves. if that is so, how did they shrink bown to the little ankle biters some keep as lap dogs? what did they cross bred with?


Commercials will say almost anything to sell a product. Personally I feel commercials are an insult to the intelligence of humanity. Just my $0.02 worth of personal opinion.

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Mar 4, 2020 18:26:09   #
cytafex Loc: Clarksburg MA
 
Breeding is the reason for wide range of dog breeds. For instance if you take the runt of the litter odds are the offspring will be smaller, keep repeating and you get smaller dogs. Fundamental to animal husbandry.

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Mar 4, 2020 18:46:13   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
jerseymike wrote:
Watch it....watch out. What would happen to instant gratification??


You know the problem with instant gratification, it just takes too long, or so I have been told.

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