where did dogs originate?
Mar 3, 2020 00:54:39 #
a recent commercial claimed all dogs decended from wolves. if that is so, how did they shrink bown to the little ankle biters some keep as lap dogs? what did they cross bred with?
Mar 3, 2020 02:12:01 #
captivecookie
Loc: Washington state
I believe lap dogs were bred to be small enough to sit on a lap to give the fleas something else to bite besides people.
Or not.
Or not.
Mar 3, 2020 04:27:05 #
bull drink water wrote:
a recent commercial claimed all dogs decended from wolves. if that is so, how did they shrink bown to the little ankle biters some keep as lap dogs? what did they cross bred with?
this follows on from a freind asking me on Sunday "Who put the dinosaurs here"?
Mar 3, 2020 05:39:24 #
bull drink water wrote:
a recent commercial claimed all dogs decended from wolves. if that is so, how did they shrink bown to the little ankle biters some keep as lap dogs? what did they cross bred with?
If this is a serious question, there was a NatGeo special that ran back in 2016 that addresses that very question. It was titled "How dogs got their shapes". Check it out if you are truly interested.
Mar 3, 2020 05:57:26 #
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
bull drink water wrote:
a recent commercial claimed all dogs decended from wolves. if that is so, how did they shrink bown to the little ankle biters some keep as lap dogs? what did they cross bred with?
Anything can be found if we are just willing to do a little work ourselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog
Mar 3, 2020 05:58:38 #
Taking evidence from the prehistoric wolf bone, experts agree that dogs separated from wolves, evolutionary speaking closer to 30,000 years earlier. While this doesn't mean that we began domesticating dogs that way back, it does seem to elucidate why Wolves went from competing with humans to be interested in them.
Mar 3, 2020 06:19:44 #
billnikon wrote:
Anything can be found if we are just willing to do a little work ourselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog
Watch it....watch out. What would happen to instant gratification??
Mar 3, 2020 06:49:07 #
billnikon wrote:
Anything can be found if we are just willing to do a little work ourselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog
...Naw... Too much work. Time for a nap.
Mar 3, 2020 06:55:38 #
yorkiebyte wrote:
...Naw... Too much work. Time for a nap.
Don't forget your lap dog. It will keep you warm.
Mar 3, 2020 08:59:22 #
Mar 4, 2020 06:58:11 #
PaulBrit
Loc: Merlin, Southern Oregon
I read recently, I think it was in Science Magazine, I know it was a serious source, that rather than humans domesticating wolves it was the other way around, wolves self-domesticated to get closer to humans. The early origins of dogs are still far from certain!
Mar 4, 2020 07:06:35 #
bull drink water wrote:
what did they cross bred with?
For lapdogs - rats; for "tea cup" dogs - mice.
Unfortunately, many dog breeds have been bred just to please humans, with major disadvantages for the dogs. We had three pugs (one left), and they are known to have breathing and leg problems. If we had known this, we never would have gotten them and encouraged breeders to keep breeding them.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/14/dark-side-designer-dog-trend-cruel-not-cute/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/although-purebred-dogs-can-be-best-in-show-are-they-worst-in-health/
Mar 4, 2020 07:12:01 #
machia
Loc: NJ
Some dog breeds descended from Wolves, others from the Fox.
Breeding has created many problems in dogs like the German Shepard. The “desirable” sloped-back look has only increased their hip problem risk.
Let nature do the designing.
Breeding has created many problems in dogs like the German Shepard. The “desirable” sloped-back look has only increased their hip problem risk.
Let nature do the designing.
Mar 4, 2020 07:44:41 #
There was a good Nova last week and one about 3 years ago on just this subject. The older show detailed efforts to somewhat domesticate a very aggressive wild Russian red (color, not political persuasion) dog. While most would snarl and try to bite anyone even approaching the cage, there were a few less aggressive toward humans. Those dogs were separated, bred and re-bred, always selecting the most docile from each generation. Within a few generations, researchers had dogs that were comfortable around humans. They also noticed extremely wide variations in color, size and shape within a few generations so it appears the genes that allow for human interaction are linked to variations in physical attributes. This allowed for a vast differentiation in sub-species within a fairly short period of time.
Personally, I always thought it a good argument AGAINST evolutionary theory to insist something like a Shih Tzu or Lhasa Apso decended from a wolf but I suppose anything's possible.
Personally, I always thought it a good argument AGAINST evolutionary theory to insist something like a Shih Tzu or Lhasa Apso decended from a wolf but I suppose anything's possible.
Mar 4, 2020 08:05:26 #
fourlocks wrote:
Personally, I always thought it a good argument AGAINST evolutionary theory to insist something like a Shih Tzu or Lhasa Apso decended from a wolf but I suppose anything's possible.
Imagine the happy wolf couple looking at their new litter and seeing a baby Shih Tzu.
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