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Feb 19, 2020 10:38:49   #
Indiana Loc: Huntington, Indiana
 
Linda, Did you use an filter for this shot. The sunrise seems very intense. The reason I ask is that on sunrise shots at a recent workshop at the outer banks in N.C. are workshop leader had us use 2-3 stop ND filters for sunrise. Just curious...love the composition and subject.

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Feb 19, 2020 11:30:20   #
jtwind
 
I'll state my case a bit differently. Rules don't do much if you want to be creative. In any case for every good photo using rules of thirds you can find equally good photos that don't, for every one that avoids putting an object of interest dead in the middle there are many great photos that do just that. You do have to start somewhere as a beginner and some of these rules will let you get a toehold but the sooner you think outside the box and truely engage with your subject and the enviroment the better for you to unleash your creativity. Just look at images by the likes of Alister Benn, Guy Tal, Alex Noriega, Ian Plant and Hans Strand to name a few. Heck go look at Eliot Porter! Don't fret rules, get out there and engage!

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Feb 19, 2020 11:39:23   #
rodpark2 Loc: Dallas, Tx
 
yorkiebyte wrote:
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~ OK. One of the tools in my photographic bucket is the so-called “Rule of Thirds” for Composition. EVERY image I take is taken with that in mind - EVERY image. Now, part of that process is to determine if this “Rule” applies to the image I’m about to create. Should it be centered?? Sometimes that is a Yes. Should it be Quartered? Maybe. Not ALL the time. Most of my images fall under the Rule of Thirds category. It is what I was taught early on in my imaging endeavor and has stuck quite truly. It’s a classic.
~ Here at UHH, I find that a lot of people know about the Rule of Thirds. I see the axiom “Rules are Made to be BROKEN” thrown around here quite a bit to the point that it seems that CENTERING the subject in the frame is VERY much the norm - for a lot of people/artists here!
~ In my humble opinion, it would seem that in MANY of the images posted here at UHH, many, many would, compositionally, look and have more feeling than the quick CENTER Autofocus sensor can deliver. Focus and Recompose, comes to mind or move to a different sensor. I know, I know - BIF is a total thing in itself so that is not a consideration with this post. To me, BIF is “GET the Dang Shot!!”
~ I'm NOT bashing anyone here - this is just a general observation. Meant to see what others think. I am not judging right or wrong with this. Curiosity.

...Anyways… looking at your OWN images, are you SATISFIED with what you are doing Compositionally with your images?? Is the Subject Centered, the normal composition you desire?
^ Please Post an image!! Let us see your point!! ...Whooohooo!!!
. br ~ OK. One of the tools in my photographic buc... (show quote)

A famous photographer once said that rules are for fools who have no way to be creative. I know the rules but sometimes choose to break them.

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Feb 19, 2020 11:41:11   #
Brian S. Loc: Oak Park, MI
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I like the rule of thirds, but it doesn't rule my life. I'll adjust the composition, depending on the scene.


Now here is one I can agree with 200%.

My wife and I shoot mostly scenery and landscape photos of our travel vacations mainly out west. We shoot to remember what we saw and to be able to make high end videos using our still pictures and the "Ken Burns Effect" to give movement to what we were looking at. We also add a full length musical sound track and text overlays to call out prominent things and places.

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Feb 19, 2020 11:43:41   #
Nicholas DeSciose
 
This is why some people go to art school for six years.

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Feb 19, 2020 11:56:14   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Here's one I shot this morning and posted to Landscape Forum for feedback.

With landscapes in particular, I often have no primary subject so I don't think of centering or thirds, just kind of balance, I guess.

The sun could be primary subject and would be close to thirds area if I crop a little sky. Because I wanted the sun's brightness to bleed onto the church steeple, I had no other choice for where to stand. I could, however, have chosen a wider view and/or cropped for different result.


sunrise feb 18 on Flickr
Here's one I shot this morning and posted to Lands... (show quote)


Linda your sun IS close to the bottom left third of the photo. I also try to use the rule of thirds depending on the entire subject matter of course. Like you I also look at balance of the rest of the photograph.

With your photograph I think if you could move the sun straight up to the upper left third of the photo it would also look good. I am not a Photoshop user so don't know how hard/easy that would be. I think cleaning up where the sun used to be would be a challenge. But I think you get my point. It would still be acceptable. There is a reason for rules in anything even photography. In my opinion it is a rule that has proven to make for a better photograph DEPENDING upon the subject matter of the photograph.

Well done,

Dennis

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Feb 19, 2020 12:04:18   #
Wilhan
 
I was once told that "rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools", and as rules go I think that this is one of the better ones (for guidance only).

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Feb 19, 2020 12:13:36   #
Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA
 
jtwind wrote:
I'll state my case a bit differently. Rules don't do much if you want to be creative. In any case for every good photo using rules of thirds you can find equally good photos that don't, for every one that avoids putting an object of interest dead in the middle there are many great photos that do just that. You do have to start somewhere as a beginner and some of these rules will let you get a toehold but the sooner you think outside the box and truely engage with your subject and the enviroment the better for you to unleash your creativity. Just look at images by the likes of Alister Benn, Guy Tal, Alex Noriega, Ian Plant and Hans Strand to name a few. Heck go look at Eliot Porter! Don't fret rules, get out there and engage!
I'll state my case a bit differently. Rules don't... (show quote)


I’ve had the pleasure of shooting with Guy Tal. He is a very strong proponent of using what we know about human perception as a foundation for composition.

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Feb 19, 2020 12:14:24   #
Tinkerbell Loc: Bethalto IL
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I like the rule of thirds, but it doesn't rule my life. I'll adjust the composition, depending on the scene.


Exactly!

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Feb 19, 2020 12:22:56   #
Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA
 
Wilhan wrote:
I was once told that "rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools", and as rules go I think that this is one of the better ones (for guidance only).


When I compose a shot I will usually consider the “Rule” of Thirds at some point. I will also consciously consider symmetrical options, leading lines, S curves, dark and light balance, etc., and various combinations of these compositional tools. It’s not a matter of trying to force my composition into following a particular rule(s), as much as it is a means of organizing my thinking to help me find what I think will make the best composition. I believe that the more one understands the various components of composition, and consciously and purposefully considers them, the stronger one’s compositions will be.

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Feb 19, 2020 12:31:03   #
MrMophoto Loc: Rhode Island "The biggest little"
 
This thread has been unraveled before. The "rules of composition" are just suggestions or guidelines. I've been teaching photography in an art dept. fort over ten years and have developed a document that covers this subject, essentially breaking down composition into about ten (what I call) structures. Rule of thirds (I call it division to thirds) is just one. I've posted the doc on here before. What I tell my students is that good composition is what will set your photos apart from the others.

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Feb 19, 2020 12:35:04   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Indiana wrote:
Linda, Did you use an filter for this shot. The sunrise seems very intense. The reason I ask is that on sunrise shots at a recent workshop at the outer banks in N.C. are workshop leader had us use 2-3 stop ND filters for sunrise. Just curious...love the composition and subject.
No lens filter. Please see my Landscape topic here: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-632640-1.html

Note my reply to R.G. about sun intensity. There are some interesting points regarding exposure I'd like to further discuss with you but would prefer to do so in that thread since they aren't related to this Rule of Thirds topic. Many thanks!

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Feb 19, 2020 12:41:28   #
Indi Loc: L. I., NY, Palm Beach Cty when it's cold.
 
It’s always in the back of my mind. Generally, I take a shot & try to arrange it, but most of the time I apply the rules in PP.

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Feb 19, 2020 12:48:29   #
MrMophoto Loc: Rhode Island "The biggest little"
 
You're absolutely right. I tell my students you don't go out looking to find symmetrical or diagonal compositions, etc. You find an interesting subject then consider what composition you can use to emphasize and enhance the subject. The subject comes first then consider the composition, but never shoot without considering the composition.

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Feb 19, 2020 13:02:43   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 


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