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Jan 31, 2020 21:07:11   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
tinwhistle wrote:
Lets put this whole thing to bed. I could have and should have been more precise in my comments. When the whole multi faceted problem arouse I spent 3 hours on the phone (over 2 days) and in the end the Canon tech never mentioned the difference in digi 6 and digi 8. She also never mentioned the need for a dedicated interface cable. In the end she gave up, yes, I said she gave up. Told me she had no idea as to what was wrong and suggested I go on line for help, from a third party, and she had no suggestions as to whom that may be. That was and is my criticism of Canon. You guys can argue about that 'til the cows come home, but that won't change a thing. The Canon tech had no clue and actually gave up. The fact that my computer kept telling me that it didn't recognize the appliance led me to B&H in search of advice. Inside of one minute I learned that Canon dedicated a cable to the 90D. Rumor has it that it is the same cable they use for their little point and shoot cameras. The purpose of my original post is to challenge Canon to train their techs.
Most of all to give that large "atta boy" to B&H.
That's it: Thank you B&H....
I just re-read what I just wrote and can see that it'll cause more angst than clarity. Bottom line: I, personally, received very poor service from Canon and super good service from B&H.
Lets put this whole thing to bed. I could have and... (show quote)


What is this difference between digi6 and digi8 that caused problems? Those are the series numbers for the in camera processor.

Am I correct in thinking that the problem would be that an older version of editing software-including Canon's own that you get for free with a camera (yes, now you download it instead of a disk) would not recognize the new version of Canon RAW files from the 90D? That would be CR3. The previous generation of Canon cameras produce CR2 files.

Almost every new generation camera to come out has a new version of RAW and needs either newer editing apps or an update to the old apps. Adobe and the other software companies are constantly putting out updates to handle the latest file formats in new camera models.

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Jan 31, 2020 21:16:23   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
robertjerl wrote:
What is this difference between digi6 and digi8 that caused problems? Those are the series numbers for the in camera processor.

Am I correct in thinking that the problem would be that an older version of editing software-including Canon's own that you get for free with a camera (yes, now you download it instead of a disk) would not recognize the new version of Canon RAW files from the 90D? That would be CR3. The previous generation of Canon cameras produce CR2 files.

Almost every new generation camera to come out has a new version of RAW and needs either newer editing apps or an update to the old apps. Adobe and the other software companies are constantly putting out updates to handle the latest file formats in new camera models.
What is this difference between digi6 and digi8 th... (show quote)



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Feb 1, 2020 00:53:27   #
graybeard
 
tinwhistle wrote:
Well, it's obvious that I'm not as savvy as you guys. Guess I'll take my ball and go home...


That's what you get when you ask for a little help. Instead of a hand you get a lot of superior yahoos telling you how stupid you are and how that would never happen to them. Gotta have a thick skin to fit in to some of these forums.

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Feb 1, 2020 08:12:29   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
robertjerl wrote:
What is this difference between digi6 and digi8 that caused problems? Those are the series numbers for the in camera processor.

Am I correct in thinking that the problem would be that an older version of editing software-including Canon's own that you get for free with a camera (yes, now you download it instead of a disk) would not recognize the new version of Canon RAW files from the 90D? That would be CR3. The previous generation of Canon cameras produce CR2 files.

Almost every new generation camera to come out has a new version of RAW and needs either newer editing apps or an update to the old apps. Adobe and the other software companies are constantly putting out updates to handle the latest file formats in new camera models.
What is this difference between digi6 and digi8 th... (show quote)


Yes, it's the new CR3 that was causing the problem, as far as I could figure out. Canon's new downloader wouldn't work when I tried to use it.

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Feb 1, 2020 10:53:48   #
tinwhistle
 
Whats wrong with a few of you guys? I don't care what the problem is. What ever it is, I will get it straightened out in the end. I was making the observation that the Canon tech didn't have a clue, obviously short on training, and the B&H guy did know and as soon as the new cable arrives I'll be in business. I made a statement and an observation; period.

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Feb 1, 2020 14:57:33   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
tinwhistle wrote:
Whats wrong with a few of you guys? I don't care what the problem is. What ever it is, I will get it straightened out in the end. I was making the observation that the Canon tech didn't have a clue, obviously short on training, and the B&H guy did know and as soon as the new cable arrives I'll be in business. I made a statement and an observation; period.


Well it came over as asking for help, suggestions etc.
But, you were just making a statement as sort of a vent.
Sorry for the confusion.

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Feb 1, 2020 16:31:14   #
loperR Loc: Medina ,Ohio
 
robertjerl wrote:
Well it came over as asking for help, suggestions etc.
But, you were just making a statement as sort of a vent.
Sorry for the confusion.



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Feb 2, 2020 10:47:06   #
authorizeduser Loc: Monroe, Michigan
 
tinwhistle wrote:
Several days ago I purchased a new Canon 90D. I am not a tech guy but I seemed to have more than my share of trouble getting up and running with the new rig. I've gotten to the point now where I have a handle on it. First of all, Canon in their infinite wisdom no longer includes an interface cable with their cameras. Also, do not include the start up CD, everything has to be downloaded from the web, and you all know how well that works. It wasn't until I was well into the process that I found out that the new didgi 8 processor is not comparable with any of the digi6 software. And I did not find that from Canon. None of the dozen or so interface cables I have laying around here will work. B&H really came through on this one. So here's a big "atta boy" for B&H and a bucket of sour grapes to Canon.
Several days ago I purchased a new Canon 90D. I am... (show quote)


Anything to save a buck and usually at the displeasure of the customer.
As with any corporation, the bottom line is the stock holders, not the customers satisfaction.

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Feb 2, 2020 13:09:52   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
DebAnn wrote:
Since when has there been a standard of using a card reader? Until my problem with Canon's latest downloader, I used a cable directly from camera to computer. It's the easiest and quickest way to do it. Why do you think Canon makes a downloader if they don't expect people to use it?


DebAnn,

I'd say it's been the standard ever since computers "all" started coming with a built in card reader is when it became mostly the standard. As someone else pointed out, it "is" a matter of choice so if you choose to come home, put your camera next to your computer, find the cable, plug it into the delicate port on the side of your camera, then plug the other end into your computer, turning the connector this way and then that way to get it in and then back again, then turn on your camera using the cameras most likely depleted battery, and download your pictures at the max speed of your cameras interface, usually USB2 speeds instead of most USB3 card readers speed (10x faster), all while avoiding getting entangled in the cord you have connected so as your camera doesn't get yanked down to the floor, then knock yourself out.

What I'm saying is that I'm not going to use my $3,500 camera at a card reader. I'm going to pop out the card, quickly slide it into the reader, remove the battery from my camera, start charging it, wipe my camera off, install a fresh battery and a fresh card in it and put it away and by the time that is done the card is downloaded onto my computer and I'm ready to start processing pics. This is what most professionals do.

Here's what ameteurs do:

1. use the camera as a card reader
2. use the card until it's full and never download pics to computer or back them up
3. keep the focus beep turned on
4. use the left hand over the top of camera instead of cradling it under the camera lens while taking pictures
5. use Apples iFotos or iPhotos app (however it's spelled)
6. never go through menus and thoroughly familiarize themselves with the options and take advantage of them
7. use pop up flash on camera
8. use the lcd instead of the viewfinder on the camera when composing before taking a picture

Now I'm not saying that amateurs are low lifes or not human. Far from it. In fact for many photographers it's simply a hobby and they are working a full time jobs, raising a family and making ends meet so they don't have time to do and learn all the things that a pro photographer knows. I get it. But this forum is where the knowledgeable people can explain how to do things more efficiently so that they (you) can obtain better results by working smarter and not harder. So if you are reading this, we know you have "some" time to read and learn but to argue and tell us what you do is best - well, I just don't think that is productive.

One last thing, as you can see, camera manufactures know that it's a waste of money to include a cd and a cable, as the OP of this thread has pointed out, because they know that the productive way is as I've pointed out and that the firmware and software that is completely up to date on their websites and can be obtained from them in the matter of minutes. While the CD they used to include might be in that box for 6 months or more and is likely obsolete before you open the brand new box. Things are changing.

As for the OP of this tread bashing Canon, it sounds to me like you might not have communicated the problem you had with them since it's pretty obvious that you didn't convey this in your original posting here and we all started commenting about what we thought your problem was and not what your actual problem is. So if we didn't get it, maybe they didn't get it. In fact, I'm still not sure what the problem you had was. Something about the processor in your new camera not being compatible with something. What! Was it the old Canon software from 2005 that's on your computer wasn't working with your 2020 camera?

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Feb 3, 2020 13:48:48   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
DebAnn,

I'd say it's been the standard ever since computers "all" started coming with a built in card reader is when it became mostly the standard. As someone else pointed out, it "is" a matter of choice so if you choose to come home, put your camera next to your computer, find the cable, plug it into the delicate port on the side of your camera, then plug the other end into your computer, turning the connector this way and then that way to get it in and then back again, then turn on your camera using the cameras most likely depleted battery, and download your pictures at the max speed of your cameras interface, usually USB2 speeds instead of most USB3 card readers speed (10x faster), all while avoiding getting entangled in the cord you have connected so as your camera doesn't get yanked down to the floor, then knock yourself out.

What I'm saying is that I'm not going to use my $3,500 camera at a card reader. I'm going to pop out the card, quickly slide it into the reader, remove the battery from my camera, start charging it, wipe my camera off, install a fresh battery and a fresh card in it and put it away and by the time that is done the card is downloaded onto my computer and I'm ready to start processing pics. This is what most professionals do.

Here's what ameteurs do:

1. use the camera as a card reader
2. use the card until it's full and never download pics to computer or back them up
3. keep the focus beep turned on
4. use the left hand over the top of camera instead of cradling it under the camera lens while taking pictures
5. use Apples iFotos or iPhotos app (however it's spelled)
6. never go through menus and thoroughly familiarize themselves with the options and take advantage of them
7. use pop up flash on camera
8. use the lcd instead of the viewfinder on the camera when composing before taking a picture

Now I'm not saying that amateurs are low lifes or not human. Far from it. In fact for many photographers it's simply a hobby and they are working a full time jobs, raising a family and making ends meet so they don't have time to do and learn all the things that a pro photographer knows. I get it. But this forum is where the knowledgeable people can explain how to do things more efficiently so that they (you) can obtain better results by working smarter and not harder. So if you are reading this, we know you have "some" time to read and learn but to argue and tell us what you do is best - well, I just don't think that is productive.

One last thing, as you can see, camera manufactures know that it's a waste of money to include a cd and a cable, as the OP of this thread has pointed out, because they know that the productive way is as I've pointed out and that the firmware and software that is completely up to date on their websites and can be obtained from them in the matter of minutes. While the CD they used to include might be in that box for 6 months or more and is likely obsolete before you open the brand new box. Things are changing.

As for the OP of this tread bashing Canon, it sounds to me like you might not have communicated the problem you had with them since it's pretty obvious that you didn't convey this in your original posting here and we all started commenting about what we thought your problem was and not what your actual problem is. So if we didn't get it, maybe they didn't get it. In fact, I'm still not sure what the problem you had was. Something about the processor in your new camera not being compatible with something. What! Was it the old Canon software from 2005 that's on your computer wasn't working with your 2020 camera?
DebAnn, br br I'd say it's been the standard ever... (show quote)


A few points I might be a bit different but overall I agree with most of this.

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