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Dec 19, 2019 09:41:41   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
missiletracker wrote:
I would never buy a sony due to the much smaller flange opening which will severely new lens designs


Say what????????

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Dec 19, 2019 09:44:24   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Don't let the photographer you were yesterday stop you from buying a mirrorless camera tomorrow.

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Dec 19, 2019 09:51:49   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
grichie5 wrote:
I made the switch from an Olympus OM D mark 11 to the Sony 7R 111 and have been delighted with the change. The resolution is excellent and the resulting prints almost have a three dimensional look.

The camera has a steep learning curve and a guide, like the one by David Busch is invaluable. However, the results are worth the hours of study and the camera is a joy to use.

The camera and lenses are larger and heavier than the Olympus equipment, but since age has curtailed my travel to a large extent, I can mange the weight and bulk for mainly local use.

The camera lacks a focus stacking control and the HDR is mediocre at best. But exposure bracketing is easily accessed and Photoshop will handle the HDR.

I was seeking better resolution and found it with this camera; and I was only spending my kid's money.

You will enjoy using this camera.
I made the switch from an Olympus OM D mark 11 to ... (show quote)


That is certainly a very good picture thank you for posting.

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Dec 19, 2019 11:17:55   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
islandboy4147 wrote:
I love the features of the Sony A73 III and an seriously considering buying one. I am a longtime Canon user and would prefer to stay in the Canon family for simplicity of standardized equipment and operation. My other choice would be the Canon R, but it doesn't match up to the Sony technology. Unless Canon reveals a new model soon, I am having trouble resisting, at this time, the Sony technology.
What are some of the opinions of users with experience in this.


I love mine!!! The eye AF is awesome and the ability to see what your adjustments will do BEFORE the picture is taken is a game changer. I chose it over the a7Riii because I didn’t want all those megapixels. I felt that Sony was WAY ahead of Canon and NIKON in the mirrorless market. The price has come down $200 since I bought mine. Good luck deciding.

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Dec 19, 2019 17:37:02   #
hookedupin2005 Loc: Northwestern New Mexico
 
Imagemine wrote:
I'm a Nikon shooter but you have to be a hicker which gets good landscape shots them same for wildlife mirrorless is the best way to roll for the lightness & small size the down side is the ruggedness will mirrorless stand up all that said go for it P.S. don't forget about new set of lens


HUH????

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Dec 19, 2019 18:17:12   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
I was a pro Canon and Nikon shooter (both systems) for over 40 years before moving to Sony mirrorless in January 2017, and I have never looked back. While the Nikon Z cameras and Canon EOS R and RP are decent first attempts at fullframe mirrorless cameras, IMHO they just don't match up with the performance of the best from Sony. The Canon EOS R and RP have horrible 4k crops, smaller than APS-C size, not as good AI autofocus and tracking, slow actual frame rates with any AF-C, single card slots, poor refresh rates for their EVFs,poorer battery life, and even more expensive good lenses than Sony and all the excellent third-party lenses for the Sony E-mount.

Sony has just a more complete and developed mirrorless system,hands down. There is nothing I see in the EOS R and RP current models that could entice me back to Canon right now, sorry Canon fans. I am a working pro who can afford any brand gear I need, and my money will stay with Sony for now. Cheers if you lust for the EOS R or RP, just look beyond the hype and make darn sure its actual performance meets your needs.

2017 Camera of the Year: Sony A7RIII
2018 Camera of the Year: Sony A7III
2019 Camera of the Year: Sony A7RIV
(DPReview)

The top two selling cameras at B&H Photo during 2019 Black Friday/Cyber Monday
#1 Sony A7RIV
#2 Sony A7III
I was a pro Canon and Nikon shooter (both systems)... (show quote)


DPAF says it all for Canon.
Sony can not even play in the same ballpark.

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Dec 19, 2019 18:47:01   #
islandboy4147 Loc: Savannah, GA
 
Thank for pointing out DPAF (Dual Pixel Autofocus). I had to look it up and after reading what it does, I now realize what an excellent feature I already have in my 7D Mark II. I now know that I need to make some AF adjustments in my camera for better tracking. Indeed it does say a lot about Canon.

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Dec 19, 2019 20:05:02   #
Canisdirus
 
Architect1776 wrote:
DPAF says it all for Canon.
Sony can not even play in the same ballpark.


Lol ... Sony had that with the A7RIII

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Dec 19, 2019 20:06:03   #
twosummers Loc: Melbourne Australia or Lincolnshire England
 
I've only used the Canon R - it is a fantastic camera. I upgraded from the 6d. You will not be disappointed and the learning curve for you will be short.

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Dec 19, 2019 20:54:44   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Lol ... Sony had that with the A7RIII


Sony does not have DPAF and NEVER has had it.
What are you smoking?

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Dec 20, 2019 15:39:28   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
islandboy4147 wrote:
I love the features of the Sony A73 III and an seriously considering buying one. I am a longtime Canon user and would prefer to stay in the Canon family for simplicity of standardized equipment and operation. My other choice would be the Canon R, but it doesn't match up to the Sony technology. Unless Canon reveals a new model soon, I am having trouble resisting, at this time, the Sony technology.
What are some of the opinions of users with experience in this.


First we need to know which Sony you are actually looking at.... There is no such thing as a "Sony A73 III". Some people responding to your post are assuming one model, while others are assuming another very different model.

- Sony a7R III (also sometimes shown as "a7R3") is a 42MP full frame model that sells for about $2500 new, body only. (An "IV" model with 61MP replacing it has been announced.)

- Sony a7 III (also sometimes called "a73") is a 24MP full frame model that sells for about $1800 new, body only.

The Canon EOS R with 30MP is more comparable to the a7R III. Currently the EOS R is on sale for $1499.

The Canon EOS RP with 26MP is more comparable to the a7 III. Currently the EOS RP is on sale for $999.

Sony FE 24-105mm f/4 G OSS lens bundled with either of Sony camera adds approx. $1200 to the cost.... a7RIII w/24-105: $3696... a7III w/24-105: $2996.

Bundling the Canon RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM lens with the Canon EOS RP costs a total of $1899.

Including the Canon RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM lenses with the Canon EOS R costs a total of $2399.

There are numerous other "bundles" possible with all four cameras. Both the Sony and the EOS R can optionally be fitted with a battery/vertical grip. There's no such grip available for the EOS RP. (There is an "extension" available for the RP that might be helpful for people with larger hands, but it doesn't increase battery capacity or provide vertical controls.)

There are many more native lenses available for the Sony cameras right now. B&H lists over 200, including around 60 lenses from Sony themselves (there is some duplication).

The relatively new EOS-R-series system has 10 Canon RF lenses so far, and a total of roughly 20 from all manufacturers. A number of add'l RF lenses are expected to be released next year.

Of course, all Canon EF and EF-S lenses can easily be adapted for use on the Canon R-series cameras, reportedly with little or no loss of performance. In fact, sometimes a camera purchase is offered with a free EF/EF-S to RF adapter included. B&H lists 280+ EF/EF-S lenses, with around 84 from Canon themselves (some duplication).

Similarly, it's rather common for people to adapt Canon EF lenses for use on the Sony cameras. The Sigma MC-11 adapter (about $250 Edit: It's on sale right now for $149.) is the most popular way to do this, so that the lenses have most or all their original functionality (autofocus, aperture control, images stabilization). Most users report this works well, but autofocus may note be as snappy as it is using the Canon lenses on most Canon cameras.

Sometimes decisions come down to little things. For example, there are some user complaints about Sony menus (https://petapixel.com/2018/01/20/rant-sony-can-fix-horrible-menu-system-great-cameras/). Canon users, OTOH, generally praise the organization of the menus in their cameras.

Hopefully it would never be something you need, but Canon Service Dept. also gets high marks and positive feedback from customers. Sony, not so much in the past, but supposedly they've been working on improving things.

There are rumors that a Canon EOS R Mark II is in testing now, but there are no details about it's specifications, and it's not likely to be announced or in stores until mid-to-late 2020, at the earliest. The next most likely EOS R-system camera, is the "Rs", which is expected to be announced in early 2020 and is believed to be 75MP or higher... essentially a replacement for the 50MP EOS 5Ds and 5Ds-R DSLR models. Those originally sold for around $3500, body only. I would expect (hope?) the EOS Rs will cost somewhat less, just as the EOS RP costs less than the 6D Mark II and the EOS R costs less than the 5D Mark IV.

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Dec 20, 2019 15:46:41   #
islandboy4147 Loc: Savannah, GA
 
thank much for the detailed info. I appreciate it

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Dec 20, 2019 20:33:35   #
islandboy4147 Loc: Savannah, GA
 
A 7 III

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