artBob Loc: Near Chicago

Yes, strange as it may seem, folks can get all het up, and you cannot reply if a forum moderator (For Your Consideration in this case) block you. It happened, strangely enough, when I posted a critique of a moderator. The whole episode is hardly uplifting, and no need to visit it unless you really want to. https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-618133-1.html

However, one of the threads ("Having the Last Word," with a pic of a nasty ol' tusker supposedly representing a hogger in the OP, https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-618698-1.html) just darn-near begs for a response I've worked up. Hope you like it.

To freedom of speech, and adults being able to moderate themselves!

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Haydon

Hopefully we'll have moderator interaction. Reported.

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

I would have banned you, as well.

It is considered rude to alter another’s work. That is without prior permission of the OP.

Arguing about your transgression and the posting this reply, as you did, is reprehensible.

—Bob

rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA

Did you get a death threat? It doesn't count unless you get a death threat.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

Let it go, man.

Cany143 Loc: SE Utah

While you --and Bob (Malarz, of course, not that other Bob)-- are right on target, I feel the burning need to go (slightly) off topic here by asking: Does choking one's chicken --over and over and over again-- qualify as a 'death threat'? Asking for a friend....

Bill_de Loc: US

You act like the kid who didn't get invited to the party but found a way to sneak in.
You might consider finding a new home on the web where you will be happier.
UHH will survive without you.




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rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

On social media, freedom of speech is not a right, it's a privilege.

artBob Loc: Near Chicago

You understand the situation incorrectly. Perhaps you and others consider it rude to place illustrative lines, but it is not so from where I come from, copyright, the professions of Art, publishing, and education. Such illustrative lines aid learning, as anyone who has attended an art appreciation course knows.

In fact, I was COMPLIMENTING the OP's composition, which he had derided. I also used lines to show perspective problems, and asked him, as someone with obvious respect on UHH how he might explain it.

Here are the relevant posts (May also be viewed at https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-618133-1.html):
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artBob (a regular here) (online) Joined: May 5, 2012 Posts: 4612 Loc: Near Chicago

Graham Smith wrote:
The framing isn't the best, the boy's feet are on the bottom, but it was shot with a Leica with framing lines in the viewfinder and they are not easy in a fast moving shot

I post:
"Actually, the composition seems fine, a radial, as shown with the structural lines in the illustration.. I do wonder, however, what caused the strange perspective distortion of what should be slightly converging lines, as in the illustration."
[Here I posted his photo with overlying compositional lines]

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Graham Smith Joined: Jun 12, 2013 Posts: 6951 Loc: Cambridgeshire UK

artBob wrote:
Actually, the composition seems fine, a radial, as shown with the structural lines in the illustration.. I do wonder, however, what caused the strange perspective distortion of what should be slightly converging lines, as in the illustration.

Graham Smith posts:
"Here we go again. Let's call it lens distortion and be done with it.

I will add that if you edit, draw your lines on or in any way mark my pictures I will cease posting in here.

It is against the section rules.
Photography is the simultaneous recognition, in a fraction of a second, of the significance of an event. Henri Cartier-Bresson."
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Nov 7, 2019 16:15:21 #
artBob (a regular here) (online) Joined: May 5, 2012 Posts: 4612 Loc: Near Chicago

Graham Smith wrote:
Here we go again. Let's call it lens distortion and be done with it.

I will add that if you edit, draw your lines on or in any way mark my pictures I will cease posting in here.

It is against the section rules.

I wrote:
"So sorry you feel that way. Threatening others over what you perceive as my indiscretions seems unfair. I will not respond anymore to your photos. I mistakenly thought that you, like me, were a teacher, and would like to pass on knowledge, ascribing to Fair Use, understanding the difference between it and editing. Too bad you cannot answer the questions, as I would think others would find them helpful, you being so respected."
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I have used such explanatory overlays in my classes, it is permitted by copyright law, and I did not consider it "editing," as no one in the professional field of visual work does. His reply was venomous, and the moderator insisted I say again what I had already said in previous posts. Such actions can be interpreted as fearful and impotent bulling.

There was no intention to be rude. My mistake was not seeing the small print personal info at the bottom of Smith's post, where he demanded no "editing or marking." My mistake, which I admitted:
"So there we have it. I did not edit, so what I did was not, as I understood it, against the section rules. However, Graham had added "marks" to editing his photos, and I missed that--my fault." https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-618133-3.html

Somehow that got spun up into my purposely not following UHH rules. No one can produce one sentence where I write that. Continually, even as I argue for UHH to follow the rules of the bigger world when it comes to copyright and helpfulness, I recognized the need to follow the rules.

You and others have gotten very riled up over nothing, turning an intended compliment into a major infraction, and making up some story that I "wouldn't follow UHH rules."

I would think anyone with a sense of justice and lack of prejudice would see this. As I tallied up the pro and cons on the thread, however, it came up about 50/50.I would be very interested in the reasons for such a skewed view.

I read "reprehensible," "rude," "let it go"--all from just one side. What those people have done is wrong. It can affect each one in UHH. Is justice and truth less important than personal prejudice? Tell me just why that should be let go?

artBob Loc: Near Chicago

That is so off base. My "happiness" is not at stake. I have enjoyed seeing the works and learning from others. I hope I have helped others. The militaristic, personal narrowness of some is a real pain. There seem to be a lot more here than in the classes I taught. (The why's of that would be interesting to work out.)

It is no surprise to me that UHH can survive without me. It is, however, my hope to contribute to this place that I am now a part of, and try to make it better. Discussing the intertwining of copyright law and local rules is I think a worthwhile topic. There seems, however, to have been little discussion, but rather some personal anger and misinterpretation of what's going on. This causes me to wonder about motives and how to contribute to a healthy environment of free speech and respect not to leave in a huff.

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

ROTFLMAO
—Bob

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

I hope they don’t let you into art museums without checking to see if you have some sort of marking device on your person.
—Bob

Bill_de Loc: US

When I suggested you start your own section I was surprised when you told me you had tried. However you shut it down for lack of interest. Didn't that tell you something?

Also, have you given any consideration to the possibility that the 'misinterpretation' of what's going on is your misinterpretation?

Things to ponder.

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RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA

Likewise. The OP may have a legitimate beef, but Main Photography Discussion doesn’t need to be polluted with it.

artBob Loc: Near Chicago

Why don't you two above deal with the ACTUAL posts and points rather than your vague simpers? Facts apparently do not matter to you. You have something against discussion? You aren't really unable to think and communicate, are you? If you can't handle what's going on, you should just stop snowflake whining and begone. Some of us might actually care about the points being discussed.

As attributed to Eleanor Roosevelt, "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

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