JoeJoe

No denial that your a Thief and steal others work

Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.

Why do you excuse your hijacking of my content and request here?"
You could say I'm only playing follow the leader.
You first

artBob Loc: Near Chicago

So, "go right ahead.....pulling a particular element/detail out of whichever of the images that might've caught your interest..."

I pulled out the petroglyphs, as you said I could, seen in the lower left of my image. (BTW, I could have just done it without your permission in copyright law, which supersedes "rules," in standard practice; but I usually ask, except in the two cases here of people (Grahame Smith and JoeJoe) whose belligerent and erroneous views views almost required that I show those views to be false.

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artBob Loc: Near Chicago

I could indeed, but that would be a lie. Your hatred is a poison.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

What holds the content together is that the elements all appear to come from the same event. But they are not all easily recognizable. Identifying them competes for attention with the composition as a whole. The large white and yellow blotches also draw too much attention and interrupt the composition causing it not to flow.

I am reminded of my brother-in-law who had been a professor and Dean of international law at two major eastern universities. In the last five years of his life of he was afflicted with Parkinson's. About all he could manage near the end was to sit at the table and cut out pictures from magazines and arrange them on a piece of poster board.

The good news is that I don't think you are suffering as he was. You are able to communicate, which he no longer could.

The bad news is that he was better at composition than you are.

Cany143 Loc: SE Utah

Which part of "If instead you're interested in modifying parts or all of that image, and then somehow incorporating the result of that manipulation into some work of yours, I'd prefer you did not" eluded you?

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

You still have that backwards.

Rules trump copyright law on this or any other forum.

Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.

Dislike of one persons abuse of others and a distrust of their avowed goals could be interpreted as hatred by someone desperately in search of acceptance.
In this life, as I taught my children and grand children, the only thing worth hating is hate itself.

JoeJoe

Funny that considering you shown mine to be false... Can you point to that thread.... Ohhh doh..... You can't cause you now have to follow the rules.... :-)...... Stops you thieving

artBob Loc: Near Chicago

Whew, finally! You're the only ranter to offer specifics that matter. Perhaps I can help you understand composition.

"What holds the content together is that the elements all appear to come from the same event," you wrote. This shows how superficially you looked, unless your "event" runs from 300 BCE to 2019. If you didn't get the classical reference, the destruction of Notre Dame by fire, the resurrected, glowing Rose Window, and the hopeful glow leading off the page top right, you missed the basic concept. Did you think, perhaps, a naked man was caught in the fire and I was looking at his "equipment" at the time? The horizon, the old, dark hill---those part of the same event?

You didn't touch on scale. "Cut and paste"? All the images were created the same size? Scale in a part of beginning Design and Composition courses. Perhaps you are above the basics?

I laughed at "The large white and yellow blotches also draw too much attention and interrupt the composition causing it not to flow." Those "blotches" lead your (well maybe not you, but a perceptive viewer) THROUGH the composition in the Renaissance-derived "S" curve. (Oh, that naked man you missed is by the Renaissance artist Michelangelo, who often used, and here used in his "David," the "S" curve.

Now I know why, perhaps, those who do personal attacks on UHH and are fearful of their "precious" being "edited" to show other, perhaps better, possibilities, is that they do not know squat about composition and esthetics. That's okay of course, I can like or dislike something "just because." However, such comments are not very much of a contribution to those here who love photography and would like to discuss ways of making better photos, both theirs and others.

JoeJoe

Sideshowbob strikes again....

JoeJoe

Sideshowbob the international art Thief...... He's even done Michaelangelo.... No shame just theft... Everybody move on...

artBob Loc: Near Chicago

FACTS about Copyright:
“Michelangelo... proved (and improved) his skills by making copies of roman sculptures. Similarly, Van Gogh copied works from his favorite artist, Jean-François Millet. He considered his copies ‘translations’ - like the way a musician interprets a composer's work.” http://copy-me.org/2017/08/great-artists-everyone-copy-michelangelo-van-gogh/


“How Copyright Law Protects Creators of Original Works

“Copyright law gives content creators certain exclusive rights to reproduce and sell works. These exclusive rights, conferred by 17 U.S.C. § 106 of the Copyright Act of 1976, include the rights to reproduce, perform, and distribute the copyrighted work. As a basic example, if you write a book, another person cannot come along and photocopy and sell that book without your permission.

“When these rights are infringed, copyright owners can file a lawsuit seeking money damages for infringement as well as a court injunction to mandate that the infringer cease its infringing activity.

“As you can imagine, copyright law is therefore an important tool for visual artists. Imagine if you spent months painting a beautiful landscape painting, only to have someone else come along and make posters of the image, selling those posters all over town without permission. Surely you would be angry, as this infringer has essentially taken your work for his or her own profit without permission.

“In order to sue for copyright infringement, you must register your work with the 17 U.S.C. § 107, certain uses of copyrighted material "for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright." As a matter of policy, fair use is based on the belief that the public is entitled to freely use portions of copyrighted materials for purposes of commentary and criticism.

“When faced with a copyright dispute over fair use, a court will consider four factors regarding the infringer's use of the copyrighted work to determine whether the defense applies. These factors are: (i) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (ii) the nature of the copyrighted work; (iii) the amount of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (iv) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

“Consider these fair use factors in connection with the photographic collage example above, in which you seek to use a photo of a building taken by a third-party photographer in your landscape painting. Your use of the photograph would be commercial only if you intend to sell the painting. If you intend to merely keep it or display it in your home, there is no commercial element. Moreover, even if you do intend to sell it, the photograph represents a relatively minor portion of the total work. If you are using only a small part of the photographer's photo of the building, that would weigh in your favor; if you are using the entire photo, that could weigh against you. Finally, looking at the last factor, if your use of the photo would impact sales of the photograph (and therefore harm the photographer), that would weigh against your use. However, that seems unlikely here. Few people would buy your painting instead of the discrete photograph, and vice versa. On balance, it seems your use of the photo in your collage would constitute fair use.”
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-i-alter-or-make-art-from-books-prints-other-copyrighted-works-without-getting-sued-for-infringement.html

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Give it up, Bob. You have already lost the battle and the war.

Everything you are going on and on about is irrelevant here.

I already told you, "Rules trump copyright law on this or any other forum."

JoeJoe

And you are not in education you are on a private site that has rules that you broke.... And you broke them and that makes you a confirmed THIEF.... Did your post get deleted.... YES .. Can you do this again on this site..NO because you now have to follow the rules… Result is the Thieving Ba%78d gets caught and cant do it again ;-) … Good one sideshowbob