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Dec 12, 2019 10:01:12   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Jimmy T wrote:
Please read the following filtered through the I do not shoot (edit -insert movies) movies, sports or birds in flight filter:
I have a Canon 5DIV w/two "L" lenses
I also have a Canon RP w/RF 24-105 L F4 lens.
I have large hands, but I do not use the grip extension that was provided with the RP body. What a waste.
While the 5DIV is a wonderful camera, on any given day I will pick up the RP/RF lens when heading out the door.
Though I can't provide any proof, I suspect that I get just as many keepers with one as with the other.
Remember, I'm not trying to convince you of anything.
I do suspect that you will convince yourself once you have lived with the RP/RF lens (or Nikon, Sony) for a week.
Once Canon comes out with their "Pro Model" mirrorless body I will fully migrate to their mirrorless "system", and sell the 7D, 6D & 5DIV bodies, and lenses.
Smile,
JimmyT Sends
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I must add that the "Full Function" Touch Screen on the back of my Canon RP is a real deal maker!
I can shoot low & high with it. I can also keep the pics fully parallel by just increasing/decreasing the angle of the screen.
No more "wet belly" photography for this 72-year-old guy.
I can place the camera body at almost any desired angle and move the screen to suit me.
While I may later think of some more positives, I will stop for now.
Remember, I said that I am 72 years old. Huh, what???
Smile,
JimmyT Sends (again)

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Dec 12, 2019 10:09:35   #
Chief Rob
 
I suggest you watch the video tutorial at the following URL to learn of some of the possible mirrorless camera capabilities for one camera, the Fujifilm X-T3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p_bHajS3kM

While the video's speaker needs to learn better how to teach; his information for the Fujifilm X-T3 mirrorless camera is superb. I have been a Nikon advocate since the early 1970's and currently own three different Nikon cameras. I have selected additional camera brands to serve functions not readily available or satisfactory for the Nikons (e.g. noisy from mirrow slap). Over time I have been migrating to Sony and or Fujifilm brands because, for me, they each in their own ways, make capturing images in selected environments easier and in some cases possible.
One important suggestion is for you to ensure your selected camera(s) feel good in the hand!
Good luck. Chief Rob

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Dec 12, 2019 10:16:09   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
When you know you need a mirrorless camera, you have the knowledge to succeed.

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Dec 12, 2019 10:20:10   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Without the mirror, some of my cameras would be useless. So, I'd say it counts a lot.
--Bob
CHG_CANON wrote:
When you measure the ingredients of success, how much does the mirror count?

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Dec 12, 2019 10:29:07   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Once the image is transformed from the sensor to a digital file, there is no appreciable difference. Some sensors have larger pixel resolutions. Some cameras have newer transformation computers (aka processors) to transform the data creating the resulting file. But, at this state of Dec 2019, the end-results are the same, particularly when using the older DSLR lenses adapted to a mirrorless body.

Where the differences do exist today are:

1) Depending on brand, significantly sharper lenses for the mirroress mount vs the older DSLR-centric lenses.

2) The shooting process is improved by the capabilities of an Electronic View Finder (EVF) vs the limited data available in the DSLR's optical view finder.

3) Depending on brand, much higher frame per second capabilities.

4) Depending on brand, much more capable autofocus performance.

5) Depending on brand, battery longevity where the EVF demands more power and you'll get less frames per charge out of a mirrorless camera than DSLR.

6) Depending on the brand and model, ergonomics and build-quality (water-resistance & ruggedness) that are more appropriate for daily, year over year, heavy-duty, professional use.

Due to the differences in the maturity of various products / vendors, you'd have to analyze each of the potential issues and confirm whether the benefit (or limitation) is applicable to the specific camera model being considered.

One thing beyond dispute: the grass is always greener when captured with a mirrorless camera.
Once the image is transformed from the sensor to a... (show quote)

Unless you’re shooting in (jpeg) monochrome.

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Dec 12, 2019 10:31:03   #
dbgrizzzz
 
I have both. There definitely pros and cons to both systems. Mirrorless cameras are smaller, which is nice. I used my mirrorless once, taking dozens of photos, only to discover later dust spots on the images. I learned the hard way how much more susceptible to dust on the sensor problems mirrorless cameras are compared to DSLR's. This never happened to my DSLR.

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Dec 12, 2019 11:26:23   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Badgertale wrote:
Interested in opinions concerning the functionality between DSLR's and Mirror-less cameras. I would like to purchase a mirror-less camera but I am not sold on why. Many blogs tout the future of photography but I have not seen any compelling reasons as to why I would be better off with the future as apposed to what I have at the moment (D700x2 and D500). I mentioned in reply to someone in another post that I don't think the mirror-less cameras were "there" yet. I find that I really don't understand what I even meant by that.

I remember when buttons and dials were all the rage on stereo equipment. Then, that aesthetic was out and touch sensitive electronic stereo systems were "in." Now buttons, dials and switches are back...etc... Is is all aesthetics.

The latest and greatest in mirror-less technology does the same thing DSLR's do...just a slightly different way.

Thoughts, comments, concerns, burns and trolls welcome.
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I'm with you all the way in your thinking. I'm not sold either. They do the same thing and I'm not sold that MLS does it any better than DSLR. I've been watching Canon and their progression of MLS cameras and they have come out with some nice MLS cameras, but none of them are up the the same par as the DSLR's I currently have now. But there is a rumour that next year they will have one that is 75 megapixels. This is different. This is NOT the same as any of the other DSLR's. I could be interested in this one. It's also rumoured to have 2 mem card slots, to be just as water resistant as the pro bodies, have an articulating LCD, and 75 megapixels. Wow, 75. Did I mention that it has 75 megapixels?

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Dec 12, 2019 11:38:40   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
billnikon wrote:
Steve Perry has found out the same as me. If you want, go to his blog about the noise levels of the D5, Sony a9II and the Nikon Z6, (7)?
He, like me, use each for what they excel at.
As a professional photographer, I use the tool that works best.
And, I never said one was sharper than another, I do not know why you said I said that.


OMG!!! In every thread you are just an antagonistic ass. Please for your own sake learn to read and comprehend. I did not say that it was you who said photos were sharper. I mentioned Paul, another UHH member who I respect for his photos, knowledge and opinions on things photographic.

I never mentioned noise levels of cameras in any posts EVER. I don't care what the noise levels are when shooting photos. That is of no concern to me and never has been. I like Steve Perry and believe what he says about noise levels but again that doesn't matter to me.

Please take some medication, any medication and get a grip on reality,

Dennis

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Dec 12, 2019 11:41:13   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
For Canon, it's the lenses, not the camera. Although, if you can't mount a new f/1.2L RF lens to a DSLR, I guess that makes it the camera too ... If you're familiar with any of Canon's lenses, scroll any of Rockwell's sample images, or The Digital Picture (or any review site), and note particularly the wide-open performance. There is no 'step down for better performance' need. These lenses are as good wide-open as any comparable EF mount at any aperture, and their $$$$ prices all reflect that optical excellence. Aperture will become solely an artistic decision, not a performance decision, in future photography.
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Thank you. I can accept that but would ask is that just with mirrorless cameras or with the Canon DSLR as well. I know you use Canon and you do an excellent job on every photo you submit.

Dennis

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Dec 12, 2019 11:57:04   #
ltouchstone Loc: Maryville, Tn.
 
I am old. I can remember manual vs. automatic exposure cameras. I smile when I remember my indecision on whether to go digital or buy Canon FD lenses and continue to shoot film.
My current opinion is to take a deep breath and bravely go out and just make photos. Photographs that someday will recall good times. For me it doesn't matter if the fully manual Canon F1 or the 5D mk4 is chosen. Well, at least until I try to get processing.
The format will take care of itself. Don't sweat the small stuff! Be creative and shoot. I have great memories preserved in Kodachrome, Fujicolor, and a growing Lightroom database.
Merry Christmas and preserve history one shot at a time!
Lonnie Touchstone

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Dec 12, 2019 12:11:16   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
Badgertale wrote:
Interested in opinions concerning the functionality between DSLR's and Mirror-less cameras. I would like to purchase a mirror-less camera but I am not sold on why. Many blogs tout the future of photography but I have not seen any compelling reasons as to why I would be better off with the future as apposed to what I have at the moment (D700x2 and D500). I mentioned in reply to someone in another post that I don't think the mirror-less cameras were "there" yet. I find that I really don't understand what I even meant by that.

I remember when buttons and dials were all the rage on stereo equipment. Then, that aesthetic was out and touch sensitive electronic stereo systems were "in." Now buttons, dials and switches are back...etc... Is is all aesthetics.

The latest and greatest in mirror-less technology does the same thing DSLR's do...just a slightly different way.

Thoughts, comments, concerns, burns and trolls welcome.
Interested in opinions concerning the functionalit... (show quote)


You have not seen compelling reasons to pick mirrorless over DSLR because there are no compelling reasons to do so. Mirrorless isn't the future of photography, it's just another way to take pictures.

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Dec 12, 2019 12:28:34   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Thank you. I can accept that but would ask is that just with mirrorless cameras or with the Canon DSLR as well. I know you use Canon and you do an excellent job on every photo you submit.

Dennis


The distances between lens and sensor make new things possible in mirrorless cameras that are unlikely to be achieved with the need to allow space for a flipping mirror.

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Dec 12, 2019 12:33:50   #
Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC
 
Ched49 wrote:
You have not seen compelling reasons to pick mirrorless over DSLR because there are no compelling reasons to do so. Mirrorless isn't the future of photography, it's just another way to take pictures.

Granted, shooting in quiet environments is uncommon, but you cannot ignore them just because they do not interest the majority of photographers. For those situations, if not for mirrorless, point and shoot cameras are far superior to any DSLR. I hesitate to bring up audible shutter noise again, except to say there is at least one compelling reason to leave the DSLR home. These are situations where mirror slap is so inappropriate that shooting is not even entertained using a DSLR. Maybe that is why the reason doesn’t count.

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Dec 12, 2019 12:34:10   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Badgertale wrote:
Interested in opinions concerning the functionality between DSLR's and Mirror-less cameras. I would like to purchase a mirror-less camera but I am not sold on why. Many blogs tout the future of photography but I have not seen any compelling reasons as to why I would be better off with the future as apposed to what I have at the moment (D700x2 and D500). I mentioned in reply to someone in another post that I don't think the mirror-less cameras were "there" yet. I find that I really don't understand what I even meant by that.

I remember when buttons and dials were all the rage on stereo equipment. Then, that aesthetic was out and touch sensitive electronic stereo systems were "in." Now buttons, dials and switches are back...etc... Is is all aesthetics.

The latest and greatest in mirror-less technology does the same thing DSLR's do...just a slightly different way.

Thoughts, comments, concerns, burns and trolls welcome.
Interested in opinions concerning the functionalit... (show quote)


There is plenty of information available on YouTube and internet that is much more objective than opinions from those that have already made their choice. I have made my choice.

So you have 3 DSLRs and probably several or more lenses. Since you are not sold on the differences or advantages of either there is no compelling reason for you to switch. Both types are capable if you know how to use them.

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Dec 12, 2019 12:38:11   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Once the image is transformed from the sensor to a digital file, there is no appreciable difference. Some sensors have larger pixel resolutions. Some cameras have newer transformation computers (aka processors) to transform the data creating the resulting file. But, at this state of Dec 2019, the end-results are the same, particularly when using the older DSLR lenses adapted to a mirrorless body.

Where the differences do exist today are:

1) Depending on brand, significantly sharper lenses for the mirroress mount vs the older DSLR-centric lenses.

2) The shooting process is improved by the capabilities of an Electronic View Finder (EVF) vs the limited data available in the DSLR's optical view finder.

3) Depending on brand, much higher frame per second capabilities.

4) Depending on brand, much more capable autofocus performance.

5) Depending on brand, battery longevity where the EVF demands more power and you'll get less frames per charge out of a mirrorless camera than DSLR.

6) Depending on the brand and model, ergonomics and build-quality (water-resistance & ruggedness) that are more appropriate for daily, year over year, heavy-duty, professional use.

Due to the differences in the maturity of various products / vendors, you'd have to analyze each of the potential issues and confirm whether the benefit (or limitation) is applicable to the specific camera model being considered.

One thing beyond dispute: the grass is always greener when captured with a mirrorless camera.
Once the image is transformed from the sensor to a... (show quote)


I don't agree with every point here, but 1 benefit left out is simply less moving parts so less likely to fail.
Not explained is the ability to judge exposure through the EVF.

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