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SOOC vs Process vs Edit vs Manipulate
Nov 21, 2019 02:37:52 #
nikonbrain wrote:
Yes but if I had shot that image the sky would blue not over exposed because I would have used raw and and underexposed on purpose and recovered the shadows in post ...unless of coarse that was a overcast day...
No argument on that. How we shoot and finish the photo are individual preferences.
Here, its not uncommon to have bright flat grey skies.
That aside, if you had your way then it would probably look like this?
Nov 21, 2019 04:24:26 #
srt101fan wrote:
Do people that argue over the relative praiseworthiness of RAW/Raw/raw and SOOC JPEGs also argue over the relative praiseworthiness of beer and wine?
Is a giraffe prettier than a zebra?......
Is a giraffe prettier than a zebra?......
Would that depend on whether the giraffe came from Kenya or Tanzania? Do giraffes have prettier eyes?
As for beer - canned or bottled? Bud or Schlitz?
But the real discussion would be on wine preferences - red or white - sweet or dry - australian or californian?
St Emilion or Barolo? Corks v Screwtops?
Nov 21, 2019 04:51:35 #
SuperflyTNT wrote:
The point is your SOOC image is not true.
Ah - but your previous post explains that everyone sees differently - so you cannot say that - it may be that you see differently from the rest of us.
My suggestion was based on accepting, firstly, that there will be differences in color (note the American spelling!
) and possible lens distortions.However, in PP, I might remove a telegraph pole from a landscape - but I wouldn't move a tree.
Nov 21, 2019 04:57:08 #
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But I hope that you would not deny having made those edits.
Wallen wrote:
A lot had been discussed about how the final image... (show quote)
But I hope that you would not deny having made those edits.
Nov 21, 2019 05:08:10 #
Nov 21, 2019 05:30:10 #
SuperflyTNT wrote:
You can’t print a RAW file.
Technically nitpicking, you are correct. But that would be like saying you can not print an exposed film. Send me a RAW file and i will print it. How that would look of course will probably be not what you expect. If we want to agree on something from the RAW, we have to view it together or if distributed, then we would have to process it first, or edit and so on.
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Unless for legal reasons it doesn’t matter what you call it. It’s an image. But don’t call it potatoes. That’s a word that already has a specific meaning.
Unless for legal reasons it doesn’t matter what you call it. It’s an image. But don’t call it potatoes. That’s a word that already has a specific meaning.
It would be meaningless to say "it does not matter what you call it" then follow up with "don't call it potato". This is exactly my reason for establishing names and definitions for each step. To share and explain concrete ideas.
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And you’ve been here long enough to know not everyone is gonna agree on something.
And you’ve been here long enough to know not everyone is gonna agree on something.
Very true. No doubt about that
Nov 21, 2019 07:10:05 #
pithydoug wrote:
Not really, I find the discussion and our penchant to label things be it people, photographs, etc, a way to cloud things.
Most definitely!
We can now measure (quantify) our editing in intensity levels of, what?, 1-10??
(Then I have to give the image I just edited an arbitrary number...)
Why make things more complicated than they need be?
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Nov 21, 2019 10:24:02 #
Delderby wrote:
But I hope that you would not deny having made those edits.
I can assure you I have no photography pretense... lol
Happy trails
Nov 21, 2019 10:34:44 #
Longshadow wrote:
Most definitely!
We can now measure (quantify) our editing in intensity levels of, what?, 1-10??
(Then I have to give the image I just edited an arbitrary number...)
Why make things more complicated than they need be?
We can now measure (quantify) our editing in intensity levels of, what?, 1-10??
(Then I have to give the image I just edited an arbitrary number...)
Why make things more complicated than they need be?
The three levels of PP suggested by the OP might be sufficient - P, E, M - or S for SOOC. One of these letters, either as a prefix or a suffix to the photographer's chosen ref no. might be a good idea. It could also help with cataloguing. In fact I might just try it. (BTW - the M stands for Magic!)
Have a nice photographic weekend, Del
Nov 21, 2019 10:40:19 #
emmons267 wrote:
I can assure you I have no photography pretense... lol
Happy trails
Happy trails
No - I'm sure you wouldn't - and haven't. Sorry - I didn't pose that question well or with due thought.
Nov 21, 2019 10:40:55 #
Delderby wrote:
The three levels of PP suggested by the OP might be sufficient - P, E, M - or S for SOOC. One of these letters, either as a prefix or a suffix to the photographer's chosen ref no. might be a good idea. It could also help with cataloguing. In fact I might just try it. (BTW - the M stands for Magic!)
Have a nice photographic weekend, Del
Have a nice photographic weekend, Del
I guess, if one feels a need to quantify it.
I quantify mine as I either edited it or I did not.
(If I edit an image again, is that added to the original edit quantification or would it be a new quantification?)
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Nov 21, 2019 11:05:14 #
Delderby wrote:
No - I'm sure you wouldn't - and haven't. Sorry - I didn't pose that question well or with due thought.
No apology necessary. No disrespect taken. : )
Happy trails
Nov 21, 2019 11:17:32 #
Wallen wrote:
No argument on that. How we shoot and finish the photo are individual preferences.
Here, its not uncommon to have bright flat grey skies.
That aside, if you had your way then it would probably look like this?
Here, its not uncommon to have bright flat grey skies.
That aside, if you had your way then it would probably look like this?
Yes , a sky swap I wasn't sure if it was overcast or blown sometimes its unavoidable. You travel 100 miles somewhere and the skys cloud up it did here in this example we got there and set up and there are no highlights no blue skys ,but with careful editing and a sky swap ...its a selling image ...
Nov 21, 2019 12:03:49 #
emmons267 wrote:
No apology necessary. No disrespect taken. : )
Happy trails
Happy trails
Thank you Sir - you are a true Gentleman
Nov 21, 2019 12:05:03 #
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