my can of worms for today (Page 2): I didn't attack, I merely stated the truth. Too bad that makes no sense except it lets you believe in a God that you've made up in your mind.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

bull drink water wrote:

every one else gave their I don't know or you shouldn't ask answeres, you had to go on the attack.

I didn't attack, I merely stated the truth.

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for 65 years I've depended on God to get me through each day. it's only religion that gores my ox.

Too bad that makes no sense except it lets you believe in a God that you've made up in your mind. (that's called idolatry)

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so many things in the bible are left open ended yet we are asked to base our life on it, other parts just don't make sense.

Only if you aren't born-again (actual believer)

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the bible goes into great detail to establish mary as a virgin at the time of Jesus's birth.

The bible states the truth about history.

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the catholic church has a fixation on mary and has tried to make her more then she was.

No argument there.

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I connect with God in my own way it's only the religious that say, if I don't do it their way,i'm wrong.

Allow me to translate: "I've made up a God to suit my own preferences and desires and nobody can tell me that I'm wrong."

Except God himself who said you must be born again to see the kingdom of God. He also said to not neglect meeting with other saints on the Lord's day as established in the early church and stated in the bible.

He said a lot of things that you won't believe. My prayer is that you repent and believe the actual gospel and are born-again so that you will see the kingdom instead of getting your just punishment in Hell.

Please repent of your idolatry before it's too late. God is a merciful savior, cry out to Him.

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

rpavich wrote:

Allow me to translate: "I've made up a God to... (show quote)

that's religion talking, historically a lot of the old testimen doesn't jibe.we have enough trouble dealing with the prime directives God instilled us with at birth. now we have people coming at us from all directions with different instruction manuals on how to get through life. you way is not the only way, it may not be the best way.

if you guys feel free to give God the attributes you feel comfortable with, then i'm free to give Him mine.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

bull drink water wrote:

that's religion talking,

Lol...no, that's the bible talking.

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historically a lot of the old testimen doesn't jibe.

Doesn't jibe?

Jibe with what? What you want it to say?

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we have enough trouble dealing with the prime directives God instilled us with at birth. now we have people coming at us from all directions with different instruction manuals on how to get through life. you way is not the only way, it may not be the best way.

It's not my way, it's what God has said. If you don't like it, that's something I can't do anything about.

rick_n_wv Loc: Charleston WV

bull drink water wrote:

for 65 years I've depended on God to get me through each day. it's only religion that gores my ox.

I connect with God in my own way it's only the religious that say, if I don't do it their way,i'm wrong.

Hi,religion is what got the leaders of Jesus time in trouble. It was about do's and don't's. It was/is not about that then or now. Jesus said in Mark 10:15, "Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.” I do believe in the continuity of the Bible but also note without studying the culture some times it is hard to make sense of it. Many religious leaders have changed it and/or added things to suit their purposes. They have driven many from God's presence. The only question I would ask. Please make sure when you say your way, you have opened your heart so that your way is God's way and not any man's or religion's way.

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

it's what you say God said. each group believes that God more or less dictated His word to each of them.you guys reduce your god to human levels because you can't deal with Him on his level.

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

rpavich wrote:

I have.

Then you know that the translations/translators had to suit the beliefs of King James.

Swede Loc: Trail, BC Canada

Why is this not in the Attic where it belongs.

Tell me the reason you don't believe in all the other Gods-

That's the reason I don't believe in yours.

Swede

rwoodvira

Here we go again - this truly belongs in The Attic, where everyone has an opinion that they are totally right and others are totally wrong and intolerance unfortunately by some seems to be practiced daily. You will find evil liberal dems, staunch conservatives, religious zealots and confirmed atheists. I haven't found any Satanists yet, but they may be hiding there. As to religion, it's unfortunate that more people in human history have been killed because of it than just about anything. If you do believe in a Creator, my guess is that he (or she) must shake their holy head at the foolishness of it all.

Old joke - St. Peter was taking a bunch of the newly deceased on a tour of heaven - when he came to one area he asked everyone to be silent while they went through it because that sect didn't believe anyone else was there.

If you happen to be a Christian as I am, take a look at John 3:16. Not a lot of qualifiers there. Live long & prosper!

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

Swede wrote:

Why is this not in the Attic where it belongs.

Tell me the reason you don't believe in all the other Gods-

That's the reason I don't believe in yours.

Swede

I guess the people who run this forum didn't feel the need to bump me to the attic.

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

MORE WORMS.
if a meteor wiped out all the dinosaurs, how did the mamals survive?if they were small enough to survive the meteor, how did they "evolve" into the veraiety we have today in only 4 or 5 thousand years? maybe all the animale died off from the meteor and there was a second creation of animals without the dinosaurs.

for you believers, if God let noah put the dinosaurs in the ark, where are they now? are you tellingme God let them come through the flood them just let them die out?

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

Reading all these comments is a lot of fun.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

bull drink water wrote:

it's what you say God said.

Yeah...I can read. Just like I can understand what you are writing here.

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each group believes that God more or less dictated His word to each of them.

Actually no they don't. (if you mean Christianity vs Buddhism vs Hinduism etc...)

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you guys reduce your god to human levels because you can't deal with Him on his level.

Sorry...not even close. However I know where you are coming from, making a God to suit ourselves is very common. In the US it's at epidemic levels. No matter what a person can dream up for his/her particular desires, the God that they believe in is the one who agrees with them.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

rwoodvira wrote:

Here we go again - this truly belongs in The Attic, where everyone has an opinion that they are totally right and others are totally wrong and intolerance unfortunately by some seems to be practiced daily.

I guess the idea that there can be something that's actually "true" is lost on you. By definition, if two conflicting ideas meet, then one is true and the other false, or both are false, both cannot be true. That's basic logic. If you think it's intolerant that a person believes that truth exists and we can know what it is...then I can't help that.

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You will find evil liberal dems, staunch conservatives, religious zealots and confirmed atheists.

And you also. You believe what you are saying is true otherwise you wouldn't have said it so you can include yourself in that category too (unless you want to say "what I just said about intolerance is wrong")

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I haven't found any Satanists yet, but they may be hiding there. As to religion, it's unfortunate that more people in human history have been killed because of it than just about anything.

Which is a 100% false statistic. It tells me what I need to know about your level of experience on the subject...

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If you do believe in a Creator, my guess is that he (or she) must shake their holy head at the foolishness of it all.

Guess can be wrong as this one was.

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Old joke - St. Peter was taking a bunch of the newly deceased on a tour of heaven - when he came to one area he asked everyone to be silent while they went through it because that sect didn't believe anyone else was there.

If you happen to be a Christian as I am, take a look at John 3:16. Not a lot of qualifiers there. Live long & prosper!

As if we all aren't familiar with John 3:16.

The problem is that you inject lots of meaning into that passage that it doesn't say and also reject other parts of the bible that would completely destroy the idea that all religions lead to God or that anything a person believes that's even remotely Christian-like is acceptable to God and equals salvation.

If anyone on this thread wants a good illustration of why there are so many conflicting ideas on the subject just watch folks slice-and-dice the bible to fit their personal God and ideas just as you and bull-drink-water have.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

bull drink water wrote:

MORE WORMS.
if a meteor wiped out all the dinosaurs, how did the mamals survive?

That's a big "IF".
Anything after the "IF" is pointless.

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if they were small enough to survive the meteor, how did they "evolve" into the veraiety we have today in only 4 or 5 thousand years? maybe all the animale died off from the meteor and there was a second creation of animals without the dinosaurs.

Error comes from the first assumption.

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for you believers, if God let noah put the dinosaurs in the ark, where are they now? are you tellingme God let them come through the flood them just let them die out?

Yes, Noah had two of every land-dwelling animal on the ark so that would include dinos too. They are extinct just like many many many organisms have gone.
Yes, I'm telling you that God saved them to let them die out.

Don't like that idea?

Then modify your made-up God so that he didn't do that.

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

rpavich wrote:

Yes, Noah had two of every land-dwelling animal on the ark so that would include dinos too. They are extinct just like many many many organisms have gone.
Yes, I'm telling you that God saved them to let them die out.

Don't like that idea?

Then modify your made-up God so that he didn't do that.

maybe they died out a few million years before the flood.