SOOTC vs. Post Processing argument again?
Oct 19, 2019 10:43:39 #
BigDaddy wrote:
Good Point. Myself, I take pics mainly so I can P... (show quote)
To follow your thoughts, expanding, rather than arguing: if one thinks "photoshop" is changing the sky, removing the ugly cousin and changing grandma's hair from gray to black being what all photographers need to do to every successful image, that level of digital editing ignorance is difficult to overcome in a discussion of post processing. And, we've all seen the over-saturated HDR nonsense with a whacked white balance. To tar all processed images with these overprocessed examples is to dismiss out-of-hand the tools and areas every photographer should be using to improve their images over the SOOC version, with just minor tweaks that have nothing to do with grandma's hair color.
Oct 19, 2019 11:43:37 #
Heather Iles wrote:
How true, "some people just don't get it" and some people don't know what they are doing and that is me. Is there any hope for me, I hope so as I will keep trying to improve?
You'll get there, it just takes time and lots of shooting.
Oct 19, 2019 12:02:53 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
... And, we've all seen the over-saturated HDR nonsense with a whacked white balance. ....
weird thing is, even images like this have there place in the creative world. A photographer I know from a gallery I sometimes displayed in, created an extensive series of old car and motorcycle images. He used HDR pushed to that “crunchy” look, HIGHLY saturated colors (especially primary colors), and then printed them LARGE on metal. (He was one of the first I saw printing on metal). He also had a great sense of composition. Honestly, they were fabulous! They also sold very well at significant prices.
My point being that ultimately, the ONLY thing that matters is the final image and how each individual reacts to it. There are NO RULES for creativity. There are no limiting parameters for technique or style other than those an artist ( or hobbyist, if you prefer) imposes on him/her self. I’ve come to believe that a great amount off the SOOC/PP debate is more a product of people exercising their sense of self importance than it is a valuable discussion which will help people grow creatively!
Oct 19, 2019 12:09:10 #
Oct 19, 2019 12:11:21 #
Photographer Jim wrote:
weird thing is, even images like this have there p... (show quote)
Jim, agreed, the really good stuff is really good. Even more agreement is there's no right or wrong way and to try to force one's own limitations on the art / efforts of others is the most nonsensical of all.
Oct 19, 2019 12:23:45 #
Photographer Jim wrote:
...I’ve come to believe that a great amount off the SOOC/PP debate is more a product of people exercising their sense of self importance than it is a valuable discussion which will help people grow creatively!
CHG_CANON wrote:
Indeed. ...to try to force one's own limitations on the art / efforts of others is most the most nonsensical of all.
Hopefully, those wishing to grow creatively are engaged in other sections of UHH, or have found a kindred spirit here to exchange pm's or emails, or are using another website entirely. I was very fortunate to receive guidance and inspiration when I began my "playful pp" journey, including from members Treepusher, Heirloom Tomato, Bob Yankle, Dixiegirl, ebrunner and MinnieV.
There is much more to the UHH experience than is found in main forum chit chat
Oct 19, 2019 13:19:59 #
The photographer, seeing something in the world worth bothering with, wants those viewing the image to 'discover' the form or line or juxtaposition of shapes or the message or the feeling passing between the subjects or something inherit in the composition, but the only technology available is a two dimensional arrangement of millions of dots in 16 million+ colors. So to aid the discovery one is free to brighten the eyes, smooth the skin, saturate the grass, add to the crepuscular rays already there or invent some. It's all good, or not.
Oct 19, 2019 13:22:34 #
Heather Iles
Loc: UK, Somerset
Delderby wrote:
Then perhaps it wasn't. I'm a bit touchy at the moment.
I've just blown you a kiss.
I've just blown you a kiss.
Thanks. That is OK.
Oct 19, 2019 14:30:55 #
Oct 19, 2019 14:35:32 #
Longshadow wrote:
With post processing you can bring out the detail in the longshadows...
Mike
Oct 19, 2019 15:52:01 #
Heather Iles
Loc: UK, Somerset
Blenheim Orange wrote:
With post processing you can bring out the detail in the longshadows...
Mike
Mike
I hope he sees the funny side of that.
Oct 19, 2019 15:55:03 #
Blenheim Orange wrote:
With post processing you can bring out the detail in the longshadows...
Mike
Mike
Oct 19, 2019 15:55:14 #
Heather Iles wrote:
I hope he sees the funny side of that.
Oct 19, 2019 16:00:20 #
oregonfrank
Loc: Astoria, Oregon
Delderby wrote:
So we now need to have a debate on what "extensive PP really means?
No, “we” don’t “need” to have that debate. All I expressed was what I appreciate re: PP. I expressed no “ought too’s” or “should’s.” You are free to ignore what I said and do as you wish. I hold no status in the photographic world. I simply have my own opinions. Frank
Oct 19, 2019 16:02:07 #
oregonfrank wrote:
No, “we” don’t “need” to have that debate. All I expressed was what I appreciate re: PP. I expressed no “ought too’s” or “should’s.” You are free to ignore what I said and do as you wish. I hold no status in the photographic world. I simply have my own opinions. Frank
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