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Oct 18, 2019 10:37:51   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Kathy, do you find that condescending attitude anyplace in real life, or just among the Great Truth Tellers of UHH?


I'll admit it's here. In my section of the real world, people appreciate the reality and truthfulness of photography. But perhaps because I have selected my world??

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Oct 18, 2019 10:39:42   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Did I miss something? I did not see any one preaching "the glory of PP to the exclusion of everything else." Is this in reference to some other thread?


Not in this thread, but in most of them.

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Oct 18, 2019 10:43:42   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Thanks! I was fortunate to find several guides/mentors here on UHH when I first started my "playful pp" journey.


.... "The good old days"!!
- Today always has yesterday. I always look forward to tomorrow!! Always new and shiny! If one follows a few old concepts of life (and photography/PP) the tomorrow is much brighter! ....... Whooohooo!!!

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Oct 18, 2019 10:50:20   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
AzPicLady wrote:
... But perhaps because I have selected my world??
Who doesn't want to be among like-minded creative souls who appreciate, nurture and support? (and all the other aspects of life, to the extent we can control) 🤗

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Oct 18, 2019 10:51:31   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
Having shot almost entirely using Kodachrome for three decades I had to get it right in camera so I understand exposure, but I still like to tweak almost every shot mainly to enhance color and/or contrast.

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Oct 18, 2019 10:58:59   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
yorkiebyte wrote:
.... "The good old days"!!
- Today always has yesterday. I always look forward to tomorrow!! Always new and shiny! If one follows a few old concepts of life (and photography/PP) the tomorrow is much brighter! ....... Whooohooo!!!


why did your post remind of a plaque our 7th grade English teacher had on her desk some 67 years ago?
"Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday"

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Oct 18, 2019 11:01:50   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
Rich1939 wrote:
why did your post remind of a plaque our 7th grade English teacher had on her desk some 67 years ago?
"Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday"



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Oct 18, 2019 11:04:42   #
wildconc2001 Loc: Chicagoland
 
Linda, You've been on this site for at least as long as I have. I quit coming about 4 years ago because it was so bad--very mean folks. I returned about 6 mos. ago and I think you'll agree it's much better now. As long as there's a large group. there will always be some that are disagreeable but it's certainly mild now.

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Oct 18, 2019 11:28:44   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
Those of us who do our own thinking don't concern ourselves with what others do to their pictures.

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Oct 18, 2019 11:34:17   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Leitz wrote:
Those of us who do our own thinking don't concern ourselves with what others do to their pictures.


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Oct 18, 2019 11:39:29   #
johneccles Loc: Leyland UK
 
In the days of film it was not possible to change the ISO, you had to choose the ISO you considered the most suitable. Now that most cameras are digital there is the option to be able to select the ISO so personally for my purpose, I use 200 ISO permanently which what the film was when I used that.

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Oct 18, 2019 11:50:26   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Deja vu all over again
UHH main forum discussion topic, October 6, 2011. Title:
"To edit or not to edit"
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-4739-1.html

😁

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Oct 18, 2019 11:53:38   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
wildconc2001 wrote:
Linda, You've been on this site for at least as long as I have. I quit coming about 4 years ago because it was so bad--very mean folks. I returned about 6 mos. ago and I think you'll agree it's much better now. As long as there's a large group. there will always be some that are disagreeable but it's certainly mild now.
Sounds like you were gone during the period we could block people from topics we created. I do miss those days

But, you're right; the truly vicious bullies are mostly gone. And much of what is "arguing" now is conducted among willing participants. Welcome back!

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Oct 18, 2019 12:24:19   #
Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Kathy, do you find that condescending attitude anyplace in real life, or just among the Great Truth Tellers of UHH?


Oh yes, Linda, it’s definitely out there. I can count on the fingers and toes of a marching band the number of times people have come into my booth at art festivals and loudly pontificated to their friends, and anyone close enough to hear, that “ Real photographers don’t need to use Photoshop; photoshopping images is cheating; Etc.”. I’ve even had a person comment to me while looking at one of my images processed to be reminiscent of a 1950s illustration, “So this is a lie, huh?”

It’s an argument that seems pretty much entrenched, not only here on UHH, but in the “outside world” as well. I’m not sure how or why it seems to have so much traction, but it is what it is. I’d advise Ed not to hold his breath waiting for it to diminish or go away.

It would be refreshing if more photographers, and consumers of photography, would focus more on what constitutes a pleasing image rather than concerning themselves over the processes the artist used to create it, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon.

[Comical anecdote: one particularly boisterous person, after proclaiming to his friends about what an abomination PP was in photography, then pointed out my “showpiece” with the proclamation of, “now this is what real photographers can do”. Unbeknownst to him, he was pointing it one of my most highly processed images! (two exposures, hand-blended, lots of specific color saturation and exposure adjustments, pixel painting, selective sharpening, etc.). I didn’t explain all of that to him. I simply informed him the $1K image was already sold! 😁]

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Oct 18, 2019 12:28:51   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Photographer Jim wrote:
Oh yes, Linda, it’s definitely out there. I can count on the fingers and toes of a marching band the number of times people have come into my booth at art festivals and loudly pontificated to their friends, and anyone close enough to hear, that “ Real photographers don’t need to use Photoshop; photoshopping images is cheating; Etc.”. I’ve even had a person comment to me while looking at one of my images processed to be reminiscent of a 1950s illustration, “So this is a lie, huh?”

It’s an argument that seems pretty much entrenched, not only here on UHH, but in the “outside world” as well. I’m not sure how or why it seems to have so much traction, but it is what it is. I’d advise Ed not to hold his breath waiting for it to diminish or go away.

It would be refreshing if more photographers, and consumers of photography, would focus more on what constitutes a pleasing image rather than concerning themselves over the processes the artist used to create it, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon.

[Comical anecdote: one particularly boisterous person, after proclaiming to his friends about what an abomination PP was in photography, then pointed out my “showpiece” with the proclamation of, “now this is what real photographers can do”. Unbeknownst to him, he was pointing it one of my most highly processed images! (two exposures, hand-blended, lots of specific color saturation and exposure adjustments, pixel painting, selective sharpening, etc.). I didn’t explain all of that to him. I simply informed him the $1K image was already sold! 😁]
Oh yes, Linda, it’s definitely out there. I can co... (show quote)
EDIT to my original reply: Blenheim Orange pointed out that your comments refer to the opposite of what AzPicLady mentioned. I'm soooo confused. But your experiences are the main reason why I never had any interest in offering my photos for sale. A joyous hobby vs. being arrested for assault!

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