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Oct 16, 2019 18:13:00   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Innershield1 wrote:
Navy seals went to the Sig 228 because they couldn't find another label to withstand the rigors of their environment


Seals are combat troops, not Federal Agents. And they went to Glocks back in 2015.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-navy-seals-loved-sig-sauer-p226-gun-65631

I own one Glock, an early Glock 20. A friend in the business ordered them for a PD who wanted something that was as powerful as their old .357s. He ordered a few more than the PD wanted and sold them through his shop, I got one. Another guy I knew (all three of us belonged to the same Elks Lodge) owned a small ammo company. He did reloads for local ranges, special ammo, like testing rounds for one CA gun company (AMT) and he did custom loads for several police departments. I still have a few boxes of his 10 mm he loaded for a PD that wanted velocity - 130gr solid copper at +P velocity. I saw somewhere they were designed for .40 S&W but many like them in 10 mm for the lower recoil.

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Oct 16, 2019 19:06:53   #
Bill Munny Loc: Aurora, Colorado
 
robertjerl wrote:
Seals are combat troops, not Federal Agents. And they went to Glocks back in 2015.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-navy-seals-loved-sig-sauer-p226-gun-65631

I own one Glock, an early Glock 20. A friend in the business ordered them for a PD who wanted something that was as powerful as their old .357s. He ordered a few more than the PD wanted and sold them through his shop, I got one. Another guy I knew (all three of us belonged to the same Elks Lodge) owned a small ammo company. He did reloads for local ranges, special ammo, like testing rounds for one CA gun company (AMT) and he did custom loads for several police departments. I still have a few boxes of his 10 mm he loaded for a PD that wanted velocity - 130gr solid copper at +P velocity. I saw somewhere they were designed for .40 S&W but many like them in 10 mm for the lower recoil.
Seals are combat troops, not Federal Agents. And ... (show quote)


Right now, as we speak, the govt purchasing group and a few other lettered organizations are testing out other pistols, as they do on a perpetual basis. One in major contention is the FN 5.7mm. It has a muzzle velocity of 2,800 fps (which makes it very loud), extremely light, very low recoil, mag holds 20 rounds and one in the chamber. The grip is very checkered for good control while wet and rarely hydraulics. Very nasty round, a .223 short. FN needs to get the price down ($1K each) to stay in contention. The years ago FBI tried using a 10mm (40 cal on steroids) but the recoil was too much to allow practice, it just hurt too much. They were testing them at our shooting range, along with 40 cal, 45 cal, 9mm and a 357 sig round. We set them up with scenarios so they could try each under stress and irregular situations. The 40 cal seemed to win as the most desired which was being used by the DoW sporting the double action S&W (and they quit using the S&W many years ago and went with Glocks).

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Oct 16, 2019 19:54:05   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
Bill Munny wrote:
Right now, as we speak, the govt purchasing group and a few other lettered organizations are testing out other pistols, as they do on a perpetual basis. One in major contention is the FN 5.7mm. It has a muzzle velocity of 2,800 fps (which makes it very loud), extremely light, very low recoil, mag holds 20 rounds and one in the chamber. The grip is very checkered for good control while wet and rarely hydraulics. Very nasty round, a .223 short. FN needs to get the price down ($1K each) to stay in contention. The years ago FBI tried using a 10mm (40 cal on steroids) but the recoil was too much to allow practice, it just hurt too much. They were testing them at our shooting range, along with 40 cal, 45 cal, 9mm and a 357 sig round. We set them up with scenarios so they could try each under stress and irregular situations. The 40 cal seemed to win as the most desired which was being used by the DoW sporting the double action S&W (and they quit using the S&W many years ago and went with Glocks).
Right now, as we speak, the govt purchasing group ... (show quote)


I resisted jumping in on this topic. However I own two .40 caliber Glocks (G23 and G27) AND my carry weapon is a 10mm G29. The G27 stings my hands more than my 10mm. The 10mm G29 has a thicker heaver slide. It makes a big difference! The G29 can push you back but does not sting as much as the G27.

I'm not an expert on this subject. I'm just offering my opinion. I also fire FN 5.7mm ammo in my FN PS29. It's a fun gun. I do not consider it particular loud. Anything that exceeds the speed of sound makes a distinctive audible "crack." Hot 10mm are loud!

I takes some dedication to learn how to control the G29. I was lucky to get some one-on-one training from a professional bodyguard who guards politicians. He pointed out my mistakes to me. I would NOT recommend the G29 for a small thin person. I'm 6 foot tall and thin; it's my favorite weapon. Once you see what happens when a steel reactive target it hit by a hot 10 mm round, it's hard not to be impressed. They jump and spin! .40 does not do it as well.

Other weapons are also good on steel targets. .45s are impressive. I just prefer the 10mm.

My 2 cents.

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Oct 17, 2019 08:30:14   #
B_meyer5.55NY
 
Steve
Is that a flower petal in the carbine or a piece of paper.....very good addition to the photo.

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Oct 17, 2019 11:25:48   #
Innershield1
 
I own the 5.7 FN. Sweet shooter, favorite among the females because of the low recoil

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Oct 17, 2019 12:15:33   #
Innershield1
 
I have a FN5.7, sweet shooter. Wife's favorite because of lack of recoil

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