Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa

YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN. NOT YOUR BUSINESS.

Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa

TRUE POST.

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

Since my post. Started with:

So with your logic, we should not outlaw
Murder

To any logical person, it looks like I already knew that murder is already outlawed. How long did it take you to figure it out? Was that your original thought for the day?

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

They did?

Wrangler Loc: North Texas

My forefathers only rode horses and got where they wanted to go.

Do you only travel only by horseback instead of by automobile.

pendennis

Ahhh, the thinking of Canadians. The right to keep and bear arms long predates the United States Constitution. In fact, it originates in England as part of their common law evolution, and the signing of the Magna Carta in the 13th Century. In fact individual freedoms in England predate even the Magna Carta.

The United States Constitution recognizes the unalienable rights of its citizens, and enumerates both explicitly and implicitly those rights.

Canada has no such guarantees for individuals. You are at the beck and call of the Canadian Government. While you have certain "rights" guaranteed within the Canadian Charter, they're routinely stepped on by the central government with virtually no recourse.

One instance: Smith & Wesson produced revolvers which were shipped all over the world. One of those models was the .357 Magnum, later the Model 27. Since it's development, and until the mid-late 1970's, it was shipped with a 3.5" (optional) barrel, then with a 4" barrel. On a whim, the Canadian government banned the 3.5" model along with any other revolver that had a barrel of less than 4". In the U.S., those revolvers would have been protected, but the Canadian government can pass ex post facto laws whenever they see fit. In the U.S., the Constitution prevents that both at the state and Federal levels.

cwp3420

Your forefathers rode everywhere on horses too? Have you upgraded to the latest horse and buggy, or are you a purist and still only ride a horse?

pendennis

You are as ignorant as you are naive.

Single shot rifles were wildly inaccurate, with the exception of the rifled models made by custom gunsmiths (e.g. the Jaeger, Pennsylvania, and Kentucky). Most were smooth bore, partially rusted, and incapable of hitting anything much beyond 50 yards. Most colonists carried a smooth bore "fowler" which was a combination of a .62 caliber smooth bore and shotgun (approximately 20 gauge). Most game was taken with the shotgun, with deer rarely taken except by more accurate rifled guns; a deer shot with the .62 caliber ball was a rarity.

Until the early 19th Century, military arms were similarly smooth bored, not rifled. Even the U.S. Colonial army didn't use rifled weapons. They were armed with captured English Brown Bess and French Charleville smooth bores. U.S. made rifles were generally reserved for snipers, and they were accurate out to +300 yards.

Taking game in the colonial days gave the hunter a success rate about that of a wolf, abround a 1 in 10 success rate. Many were more successful trapping game than shooting.

Today's "mighty" hunters fare a lot better, first shot hits are up around 50%, and first shot kills below that. Animals rarely, if ever, drop when shot, whether with an arrow or rifle bullet. They frequently run off, leaving a blood trail for the hunter to follow. However, even using the trusty Winchester Model 94, more game has been missed the first shot than cleanly killed. The hunter stands a greater chance with a good scoped bolt action rifle. And most states don't allow deer hunting with calibers like the .223; they require calibers of .25 centerfire, and larger. The .30-06 is still one of the most popular rounds.

I own a couple of custom-made flintlock rifles, and while they're capable of fine accuracy out past 200 yards, they were built using modern rifling and building methods.

Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa

Good explanation, but you are talking guns to someone who thinks all of us should have our guns taken away and be just like canada.

yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

Our forefathers had semiautomatics. What are you talking about?

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

By leftist logic freedom of the press only applies to hand powered movable type handbills.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

If he knew, he’d stop embarrassing himself.

Angmo

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

Does not believe in guns laws, sounds like UHH conservatives.

Angmo

PROJECT much?