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Sep 15, 2019 07:47:26   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
Gene51 wrote:
https://neilvn.com/tangents/using-bounce-flash-outdoors/




Thanks Gene

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Sep 15, 2019 07:55:27   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
Gene51 wrote:
https://neilvn.com/tangents/using-bounce-flash-outdoors/


I've taken two lighting workshops with Neil van Niekerk. He's an excellent teacher.

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Sep 15, 2019 07:59:00   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
photoman022 wrote:
Watching television lately I've noticed that a lot of "photographers" in programs and movies shoot on camera flash with the flash elevated about 45 degrees, the way you would bounce flash off of a ceiling. My question is have any of you ever shot this way outdoors and does it work?

I'm curious because I would think that the light would go up at 45 degrees, but wouldn't come down because there is nothing to bounce off of. The other explanation I can think of is that a "kiss of light" would go forward (toward the subject) and make a difference in the photo. The times I shoot an external, on camera flash I reduce the flash to about 1/4 power and make sure that the subject is away from any background that would catch the shadow. Other times I will use a white foam bouncer that I made; the foam bouncer wraps around 3 sides of the flash and the top of the foam faces forward toward the subject (like a Rogue Flash Bouncer, but cheaper).

The other explanation I can think of is that the flashes popping would interfere with the cameras filming the program or movie (like you see all the flashes going off at the Super Bowl).

As a note. When outdoors shooting people, I normally use off camera flash with shoot through umbrellas.
Watching television lately I've noticed that a lot... (show quote)


My Sony HX99 has a flash that you can tilt back 45% and yes it works automatically outside as a fill flash. You can also go slow, or rear flash if you want.
I can also use a white note card on top of the flash on my HX99, that diffuses the light a little, I have put a tissue over the flash and that does much the same to diffuse the light.

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Sep 15, 2019 08:56:04   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
rb61 wrote:
Way back when I taught beginning photography I usually threw in a joke question on the final. "Bounce flash will work outdoor if there are enough clouds T or F"

Every year someone got this wrong...


😂😂😂

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Sep 15, 2019 09:00:03   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
with no bounce card? hmmm

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Sep 15, 2019 09:28:55   #
frankie c Loc: Lake Havasu CIty, AZ
 
photoman022 wrote:
Watching television lately I've noticed that a lot of "photographers" in programs and movies shoot on camera flash with the flash elevated about 45 degrees, the way you would bounce flash off of a ceiling. My question is have any of you ever shot this way outdoors and does it work?

I'm curious because I would think that the light would go up at 45 degrees, but wouldn't come down because there is nothing to bounce off of. The other explanation I can think of is that a "kiss of light" would go forward (toward the subject) and make a difference in the photo. The times I shoot an external, on camera flash I reduce the flash to about 1/4 power and make sure that the subject is away from any background that would catch the shadow. Other times I will use a white foam bouncer that I made; the foam bouncer wraps around 3 sides of the flash and the top of the foam faces forward toward the subject (like a Rogue Flash Bouncer, but cheaper).

The other explanation I can think of is that the flashes popping would interfere with the cameras filming the program or movie (like you see all the flashes going off at the Super Bowl).

As a note. When outdoors shooting people, I normally use off camera flash with shoot through umbrellas.
Watching television lately I've noticed that a lot... (show quote)


I have been using this method for years. It works really well for me (Day Or night). Of course I don't bounce off the clouds. I use a bounce card or diffuser. I also, use many different flash units and very the tilt and angle. Mostly I use a side bracket to place the flash and fire with a using a cord and more recently with a radio trigger.





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Sep 15, 2019 09:35:13   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
billnikon wrote:
My Sony HX99 has a flash that you can tilt back 45% and yes it works automatically outside as a fill flash. You can also go slow, or rear flash if you want.
I can also use a white note card on top of the flash on my HX99, that diffuses the light a little, I have put a tissue over the flash and that does much the same to diffuse the light.


Tilted back 45° it works outside as a fill?

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Sep 15, 2019 09:41:56   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
photoman022 wrote:
Watching television lately I've noticed that a lot of "photographers" in programs and movies shoot on camera flash with the flash elevated about 45 degrees, the way you would bounce flash off of a ceiling. My question is have any of you ever shot this way outdoors and does it work?

I'm curious because I would think that the light would go up at 45 degrees, but wouldn't come down because there is nothing to bounce off of. The other explanation I can think of is that a "kiss of light" would go forward (toward the subject) and make a difference in the photo. The times I shoot an external, on camera flash I reduce the flash to about 1/4 power and make sure that the subject is away from any background that would catch the shadow. Other times I will use a white foam bouncer that I made; the foam bouncer wraps around 3 sides of the flash and the top of the foam faces forward toward the subject (like a Rogue Flash Bouncer, but cheaper).

The other explanation I can think of is that the flashes popping would interfere with the cameras filming the program or movie (like you see all the flashes going off at the Super Bowl).

As a note. When outdoors shooting people, I normally use off camera flash with shoot through umbrellas.
Watching television lately I've noticed that a lot... (show quote)


I occasionally use the technique, but you are missing one importing thing. If your flash unit is like a Nikon such as the SB-700 or SB-900, extend the built-in white reflector card with the flash head at a 45 degree angle. If your flash does not have a built-in white reflector, tape a white business card to the back of your flash head.

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Sep 15, 2019 10:34:17   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
photoman022 wrote:
Watching television lately I've noticed that a lot of "photographers" in programs and movies shoot on camera flash with the flash elevated about 45 degrees, the way you would bounce flash off of a ceiling. My question is have any of you ever shot this way outdoors and does it work?

I'm curious because I would think that the light would go up at 45 degrees, but wouldn't come down because there is nothing to bounce off of. The other explanation I can think of is that a "kiss of light" would go forward (toward the subject) and make a difference in the photo. The times I shoot an external, on camera flash I reduce the flash to about 1/4 power and make sure that the subject is away from any background that would catch the shadow. Other times I will use a white foam bouncer that I made; the foam bouncer wraps around 3 sides of the flash and the top of the foam faces forward toward the subject (like a Rogue Flash Bouncer, but cheaper).

The other explanation I can think of is that the flashes popping would interfere with the cameras filming the program or movie (like you see all the flashes going off at the Super Bowl).

As a note. When outdoors shooting people, I normally use off camera flash with shoot through umbrellas.
Watching television lately I've noticed that a lot... (show quote)


I’ve also seen them turn the flash sideways when shooting a bride and groom outside. I’ve often wondered at the logic of this.

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Sep 15, 2019 10:38:00   #
ronz Loc: Florida
 
I also use flash outside with fill, is there another way. You can add shadow and eliminate the same.

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Sep 15, 2019 11:17:09   #
Charlie157 Loc: San Diego, CA
 
I used to tape a 3x5 index card to my flash head or use a tissue taped to cover the flash. You can buy a a clip on to do the same job

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Sep 15, 2019 11:23:15   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
catchlight.. wrote:
The bounce card may be pulled out ad you didn't notice it...


I did look for the bounce card but didn't see any.

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Sep 15, 2019 11:30:08   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
bobmcculloch wrote:
TV is not real life!


I agree, but I've seen it a lot in media. Yesterday I watched a bit of Crazy Rich Asians (on HBO) and they gathered at a church for a wedding and (because of the celebrities from the Crazy Rich Asian community who were present) there were tons of photographers, all with flashes on their cameras, all flashes shooting at 45 degrees. I've seen this done in other movies, on television programs, and in commercials. I was curious if I missed something along the way to mastering flash photography!

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Sep 15, 2019 11:35:32   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
As far as I could see, there are no flash modifiers on their external flashes, just flashes at 45 degrees shooting into the air. My foam bouncer works much the same way as your cards do.

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Sep 15, 2019 11:42:15   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
bpulv wrote:
I occasionally use the technique, but you are missing one importing thing. If your flash unit is like a Nikon such as the SB-700 or SB-900, extend the built-in white reflector card with the flash head at a 45 degree angle. If your flash does not have a built-in white reflector, tape a white business card to the back of your flash head.


I understand the technique you use; I use a modified version of it myself on occassion. I did not see any sort forward reflectors on any of the cameras and that's what made me curious on whether this technique works. I could not figure how it would work (without forward reflectors of some sort) and posted because I wanted to know if anyone ever used it and if it worked.

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