"Military Grade" (Page 2): Well, yeah. It's a good thing aluminum Ford trucks aren't built to go into battle. There is such a thing as military grade aluminum. It's the primary...

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

MT Shooter wrote:

Its like "Military Grade" Ford aluminum pickups.

Would you REALLY want an aluminum vehicle in battle???? Hell NO! That's exactly why the military doesn't have any aluminum bodied vehicles anymore.

Well, yeah. It's a good thing aluminum Ford trucks aren't built to go into battle. There is such a thing as military grade aluminum. It's the primary structure in aircraft all over the world.

Derryg

It's a marketing gimmick, sounds good, gives you a warm fuzzy feeling when you buy it. “mil-spec” (military specifications) is the correct term, the fine print is "Low bid." That doesn't always give you a warm fuzzy feeling when your life depends on it.

TBerwick Loc: Houston, Texas

bobfitz wrote:

I recently ordered a, so called, military grade watch. Total scam.

We used to run PM's (preventative maintenance) on "military grade" stuff on board our Navy sub, & usually managed to turn quite a bit of it into military grade junk. I don't put a lot of faith into that phrase.

Najataagihe

MT Shooter wrote:

Its like "Military Grade" Ford aluminum pickups.

Would you REALLY want an aluminum vehicle in battle???? Hell NO! That's exactly why the military doesn't have any aluminum bodied vehicles anymore.

M113 Armored Personnel Carrier - all versions

M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle - all versions

Did I want an aluminum vehicle in battle???? Hell, YES!

MUCH better than a deuce-and-a-half or Jeep.....or feet.

Huah.

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

Najataagihe wrote:

M113 Armored Personnel Carrier - all versions

M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle - all versions

Did I want an aluminum vehicle in battle???? Hell, YES!

MUCH better than a deuce-and-a-half or Jeep.....or feet.

Huah.

MT Shooter Loc: Montana

Najataagihe wrote:

M113 Armored Personnel Carrier - all versions

M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle - all versions

Did I want an aluminum vehicle in battle???? Hell, YES!

MUCH better than a deuce-and-a-half or Jeep.....or feet.

Huah.

M113 armor panels are specific alloy over 40mm thick, NOT 1.5mm thick pickup skins. How does that compare.

Bradley armor is "spaced compsite" with one layer of 28mm specific alloy as used on the M113. STILL no similarities to Fords rediculous claims.

"Military Grade" my arse!

Najataagihe

Okay, if you don't like my lovely ground-pounding equipment, try my favorite airplane, the A-10.

That aluminum is definitely not 28mm thick.

"Military grade", in this instance, merely means it is not the aluminum foil with which most non-military folk are most familiar, but a structurally sound alloy and construction.

MT Shooter Loc: Montana

Najataagihe wrote:

Okay, if you don't like my lovely ground-pounding equipment, try my favorite airplane, the A-10.

That aluminum is definitely not 28mm thick.

"Military grade", in this instance, merely means it is not the aluminum foil with which most non-military folk are most familiar, but a structurally sound alloy and construction.

No, because the cockpit and flight control system is all protected by up to 38mm thick TITANIUM aircraft armor designed just for that craft. Its structure is designed such that it can still fly with only one engine, one wing, one aerilon, and half a rudder. As has done so several times.
My neighbors all aluminum 2018 F150 was just totalled by hail last Sunday. My steel 2017 Silverado parked right next door sustained almost $11,000 in damages, and $2000 of that was my fiberglass topper. Insurance treats those aluminum Ford body parts like the crush panels they actually are.

Nikoneer

MT Shooter wrote:

Not that I recall. The Brits lost one ship there, the Sheffield I think, it was sunk by a French Exocet missile fired from a plane. The Brits were totally caught unprepared for the attack. Aluminum is never used on ships as it oxidizes rediculousy fast in salt water exposure.

I think it was more than just one. I believe the HMS Antelope was also sunk at some point.

Najataagihe

MT Shooter wrote:

No, because the cockpit and flight control system is all protected by up to 38mm thick TITANIUM aircraft armor designed just for that craft.

All true, but we are talking about the aluminum used in the plane, not the pilot's armor.

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Its structure is designed such that it can still fly with only one engine, one wing, one aerilon, and half a rudder. As has done so several times.

Don't forget that beautiful cannon, around which the plane was designed.

Why do you think I like it so much?

When I need close air support, give me an A-10!

Najataagihe

MT Shooter wrote:

My neighbors all aluminum 2018 F150 was just totalled by hail last Sunday. My steel 2017 Silverado parked right next door sustained almost $11,000 in damages, and $2000 of that was my fiberglass topper. Insurance treats those aluminum Ford body parts like the crush panels they actually are.

Now, that truly sucks - for both of you.

As far as the material from which a machine is made, I don't care what it is, as long as it does the job I need it to do.

Driving from Birmingham to Seattle and back hauling a 9000# trailer and being more comfortable than I was in my old BMW 535 makes that 2017 F-350 a winner, in my book.

EVERY machine is going to wear out and ALL of them can be damaged.

Big deal.

I am not attached to a particular machine.

If it is totaled, I'll get another one.

On a side note, I don't care if my Nikon lenses have metal or fiberglass mounts.

As long as they do the job...

usken65

MT Shooter wrote:

Its like "Military Grade" Ford aluminum pickups.

Would you REALLY want an aluminum vehicle in battle???? Hell NO! That's exactly why the military doesn't have any aluminum bodied vehicles anymore.

Do they no longer use the Bradley?

Martys Loc: Lubec, Maine

And......organic too

TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA

rmalarz wrote:

Bob, it would be interesting to provide a bit more detail regarding why you consider it a "total scam". Perhaps include some photographs to enhance your explanation.
--Bob

Apparently the seller is the one who makes up the military spec for whatever items he/she wishes to sell to the gullible. Like everything else, it is up to the buyer to differentiate between the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Najataagihe

And in the process of determining suitability, to learn the advantages and disadvantages of each.

While the aluminum in my pickup "saved" 800# over its steel counterparts, it immediately gained a good portion of that weight back in heavier chassis components such as the frame, etc.

This had the advantage of upping the towing capacity of the truck so, FOR ME, I'd rather have the aluminum.

The down side, as has been mentioned, is that it is harder (more expensive) to fix when it gets damaged.

All machinery is a compromise, whether it is a vehicle, a camera, a musical instrument, an air conditioning system or a house.

Big deal.

"Ya pays ya money and ya takes ya chances."