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Aug 19, 2019 08:51:33   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
achesley wrote:
I just move the whole daily directory from the sd card to the picture directory on my computers hard drive. One less step. No problems with several different cameras and lots of years doing this.


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Aug 19, 2019 09:06:44   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
Longshadow wrote:
Yes, prepares it during the initial format, but why keep preparing it if it was already prepared?
(Formatting is not the only way to remove files.)


100% agree!

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Aug 19, 2019 09:12:51   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
It is easy to delete all files in a directory on your SD card, In windows ctrl-A to select all then delete.

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Aug 19, 2019 09:31:59   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
Thanks Longshadow,
I’m one of those that do both, delete and format. I started that way because of what I read here and on the net. I have to admit it’s overkill on my part.

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Aug 19, 2019 09:51:13   #
lsimpkins Loc: SE Pennsylvania
 
Longshadow wrote:
Memory in a card is a two dimensional array of cells.

Actually a lot of flash memory these days is 3D.

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Aug 19, 2019 10:07:44   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
lsimpkins wrote:
Actually a lot of flash memory these days is 3D.


Physically or logically?
Curious - the Row and Column addresses I know, what do they call the Z-axis address?

Edited: On a substrate they can create an X-Y array of cells easily. I'd be real interested in how they would create a 3-dimensional "array" when they fabricate the die.
Can you give me an example so I can look for a data sheet?

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Aug 19, 2019 10:07:57   #
Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.
 
My feeling is "Each to his own" and whatever he may feel comfortable doing. Personally, I have not formatted either of two cards used in two Canon cameras since originally inserting them and that's been nearly THREE years. I simply delete the contents after saving them elsewhere. No problem. If you feel more 'secure' formatting, then by all means do so but it's certainly not required each time.

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Aug 19, 2019 10:16:51   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Papa Joe wrote:
My feeling is "Each to his own" and whatever he may feel comfortable doing. Personally, I have not formatted either of two cards used in two Canon cameras since originally inserting them and that's been nearly THREE years. I simply delete the contents after saving them elsewhere. No problem. If you feel more 'secure' formatting, then by all means do so but it's certainly not required each time.

Definitely - To each his own - What make you feel comfortable.
Many methods will work, it's just that ONE method is not a MUST.

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Aug 19, 2019 10:20:18   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
DWU2 wrote:
So, my Canon cameras offer the choices to either "format" or "low-level format." From what I've read, "format" is really just deleting the files, while LLF is more akin to what is being described here. Do others agree?


Essentially correct. The standard format just cleans out the directory just as deleting cleans selected directory entries. LLF erases all data and re-writes the directory structure.
Look in your digital manual. ( I assume it is in the paper one but I am not sure). Scroll down to 'Contents' and then keep going until you see a line about formatting. It will explain a reason for doing an occasional LLF. It has to do with restoring write speed and, so far as I know, only applies to Canon because of how they write data to the card. For the 5DIV that would be on page 73. For the EOS R it is page 373. In that section you will also see a paragraph stating the the card will be formatted to FAT32 (unless the card size is over 128GB in which case ex-FAT is used). Industry standard formats, not some proprietary format as some seem to think.

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Aug 19, 2019 10:25:00   #
brooklyn-camera I Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
So you kill maybe 10 seconds to format, no big deal.

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Aug 19, 2019 10:29:15   #
kaitoo212 Loc: From CA living in NYC
 
@ Longshadow thanks for sharing this overlooked tip!
k a i t o o/daniel

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Aug 19, 2019 10:50:38   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Longshadow wrote:
Since I like information from the horse's mouth, and not what is propagated all over the internet by people with who knows what engineering credentials, I contacted a major SD card manufacturer regarding formatting in a camera before each use. This is the reply I received:

" As per your query please allow us to inform you that reformatting the memory card after each use is not very necessary. We recommend formatting a memory card only in situation when the card behaves weird to troubleshoot and check if the issue resolves. Additionally since every host device has different specification and functionality, depending upon the supported specification when necessary formatting the memory card in this situation is recommended. Format is a data destructive process and will erase all data from your card, so please make sure that you have everything backed up prior to proceeding. Apart from such situation, normally using the delete option is more than okay and is completely fine.

Please reply to this email should you require further assistance. We are glad to help!

Best regards,
"

This substantiates my belief that one only needs to do an initial format in a camera and deleting files on the computer is fine. Re-format when the card seems to hiccup. (Which is what I've been doing for ten years with no problem, and I've never had to re-format a card, either an SD or Memory Stick.)

But y'all should continue to do what you feel comfortable with doing.

-L
Since I like information from the horse's mouth, a... (show quote)


This topic is predictable click bait... But here goes:

Let's set aside the incredibly poor grammar, syntax, and word usage in the quote from the supposed un-named manufacturer. There IS a grain or two of truth in the statement.

No, it is not technically necessary to format a card before using it. But that is NOT THE POINT of formatting the card before using it!

It is a workflow thing.

Back in my days as a training program developer and trainer for a school portrait company, we had a very deliberate procedure, the purpose of which was to ensure that our 440 photographers did not get confused and accidentally erase images that were destined for the lab.

#1 Format card in camera. (This is a HIGH LEVEL, FAST format. It erases the previous file allocation table/directory, releasing all the space on the card for re-use. Additionally, it adds any camera-specific data and file structures needed by that particular body.) Most importantly, it does not erase any images, so if you re-format the wrong card, all the images on it may still be recovered, provided you have not recorded any NEW files on the card!

#2 Photograph subjects, without deleting anything from the camera. (NOT deleting allowed close examination of images later, in the lab, at high magnification. If there was a problem with an image that was flagged at the camera for printing, the lab may need to edit and print a different pose.) Our photographers had neither time nor technology to view their images at high resolution.

#3 BACK UP the card to a DVD, allowing the DVD burning software to VERIFY the data. (Our system also produced a lab submission DVD, right at the camera, with a database of subject, edit, and order information on it. That database and associated images drove our production process. But the backup images were kept in our local offices.)

#4 IMMEDIATELY upon removing the card from the backup computer, put an Avery green dot label on the edge of the card and return it to the photographer. The green dot signified that the data had been copied from the card and it was safe to re-format and re-use the card.

The idea of doing this was to prevent confusion. Many of our local offices had multiple photographers working out of them. We had multiple office coordinators feeding work to the photographers, then preparing data, images, and order information for the lab. We needed a fool-proof way to ensure that no image we might need would be lost, AND no jobs would get mixed together.

The only times we lost data were when people didn't follow procedure...

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Aug 19, 2019 10:58:40   #
Dave H2
 
Gene51 wrote:
The reformat in the camera or other device is a simple quick format. It deletes the filenames but not the data. This often makes it recoverable in the case of an accidental delete or quick format, BUT it causes data fragmentation. In the old days, it was necessary to routinely de-fragment a hard drive that had been subjected to lots of data writing/deleting/writing cycles. SD cards are no different. And formatting in a computer using the OS's format command often overwrites a "protected area" used for security purposes.

"In general, formatting tools provided with operating systems can format various storage media including SD/SDHC/SDXC Cards, but it may not be optimized for SD/SDHC/SDXC Cards and it may result in lower performance. SD/SDHC/SDXC Cards have a “Protected Area” for SD Card security purposes. The SD Memory Card Formatter does not format the protected area in the SD/SDHC/SDXC Cards. The protected area shall be formatted by an appropriate PC application or SD host devices that provide SD security function."

I'm not doubting your horse, but I think the words from the stable of Cydesdales that represent the SD Association carry greater authority. After all, the do set and update the standards - (Panasonic, SanDisk, and Toshiba)

https://www.sdcard.org/about_sda/index.html

I quick format in camera regularly or in the computer using the SD Formatter application, but once a month or sometimes more often, I will do a complete overwrite format using SD Formatter just to keep the cards performing at their best. Re-formatting regularly makes sense, but only if you do a full format. Deleting and quick reformat are basically the same, and they leave the same fragmentation "mess" on the card. So your horse wasn't wrong per se, but he may not have been giving you the whole story.
The reformat in the camera or other device is a si... (show quote)


My Nikons have never had a problem with cards without reformatting.
To avoid having to delete images from a card, I simply move them all to a computer. The moving process copies and deletes at the same time.
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Aug 19, 2019 11:00:30   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Two sentences in the reply caught my attention:
1- reformatting the memory card after each use is not very necessary.
2- normally using the delete option is more than okay and is completely fine.

I always format a memory card prior to using it for the first time. I always reformat after using the card. If I reformat after I have issues with the memory card it could be too late and many of the images will be corrupted. Why take chances?
Everyone of us is different and I am sure others have a different experience formatting.

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Aug 19, 2019 11:09:45   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
DWU2 wrote:
So, my Canon cameras offer the choices to either "format" or "low-level format." From what I've read, "format" is really just deleting the files, while LLF is more akin to what is being described here. Do others agree?


I format or re-format in-camera, whatever that is. It is really fast. In computer, yes, there are two types of Format commands.

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