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Aug 20, 2019 08:06:54   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
bleirer wrote:
Now i know less than I did before starting to read this 100 post threads ago. Do I get 100,000 formats? If so I can format once a day for 273 years. If not, about how many times might one be able to format a card? About how many regular vs. Low level formats? About how many times can I erase files? Inquiring minds.... will we wear out uhh if we keep posting to this topic?

The card will last many years with regular use.
I have cards that are ten years old and still going strong.
I, personally, am not going to worry about how many times I use it, I'm just going to use it.

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Aug 20, 2019 08:07:02   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Longshadow wrote:
You are so right with your first sentence!

Please show me where the above information about constant access came from.
I don't believe it in the slightest.
That would mean that the usage light for the card, your hard drive, would be constantly on.

Formatting the card DOES use read/write cycles, thus using a minuscule amount of its life.

"Keep the card in the computer no longer than necessary. "
WHY??? Should I remove the memory in my desktop also?

"Formatting is complete, erasing is partial.
Formatting is a fresh start. Neither formatting or erasing removes the images, just the access directory. "
Aren't thos two statements contradictory?
Low level format or CIPHER is complete!

Yes, I agree, don't believe everything you read!
You are so right with your first sentence! br br ... (show quote)


👍👍 my reaction as well. Too many contradictory and simply wrong statements to know where to begin...

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Aug 20, 2019 08:49:26   #
catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway
 
TriX wrote:
👍👍 my reaction as well. Too many contradictory and simply wrong statements to know where to begin...


Showing teeth as usual...

Fun to engage, and hopefully get the real information out. The comments never stop amazing me...

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Aug 20, 2019 08:53:49   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
It is baffling me why we have to treat storage for photography completely different than every other application in the computing world. If somebody wants to quadruple format their storage after every use, please do so. It is comfortable and gives the user an extra pseudo-sense of security (it's not wrong to do so, just not necessary).

Modern photography systems were built off of existing computer architectures and file systems, and do not use some proprietary file format that requires extra care and feeding to maintain. User manuals are written for the lowest common denominator to avoid excessive phone calls for customer support. So if you manual 'suggests' to format before every use, the manufacturer is just ensuring that the user has a card in a file format that the camera can read (because we know users do some strange things).

It's not a right or wrong issue, but therefore we shouldn't use absolute terms either (must, never, always, etc..). I am on the side that only formats media once for it's intended purpose, but I will not tell people they HAVE to do it that way. But as someone who has been in and around IT/Network Security for some time, I want to help make sure information is accurate.

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Aug 20, 2019 08:55:19   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
catchlight.. wrote:
Showing teeth as usual...

Fun to engage, and hopefully get the real information out. The comments never stop amazing me...


Someday I may give up trying to quell misinformation.......
The problem is, so many people believe it and take it as gospel.

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Aug 20, 2019 08:57:41   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
Longshadow wrote:
Someday I may give up trying to quell misinformation.......
The problem is, so many people believe it and take it as gospel.



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Aug 20, 2019 09:04:13   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
johngault007 wrote:
It is baffling me why we have to treat storage for photography completely different than every other application in the computing world. If somebody wants to quadruple format their storage after every use, please do so. It is comfortable and gives the user an extra pseudo-sense of security (it's not wrong to do so, just not necessary).

Modern photography systems were built off of existing computer architectures and file systems, and do not use some proprietary file format that requires extra care and feeding to maintain. User manuals are written for the lowest common denominator to avoid excessive phone calls for customer support. So if you manual 'suggests' to format before every use, the manufacturer is just ensuring that the user has a card in a file format that the camera can read (because we know users do some strange things).

It's not a right or wrong issue, but therefore we shouldn't use absolute terms either (must, never, always, etc..). I am on the side that only formats media once for it's intended purpose, but I will not tell people they HAVE to do it that way. But as someone who has been in and around IT/Network Security for some time, I want to help make sure information is accurate.
It is baffling me why we have to treat storage for... (show quote)


Amen!

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Aug 20, 2019 09:15:22   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
johngault007 wrote:
It is baffling me why we have to treat storage for photography completely different than every other application in the computing world. If somebody wants to quadruple format their storage after every use, please do so. It is comfortable and gives the user an extra pseudo-sense of security (it's not wrong to do so, just not necessary).

Modern photography systems were built off of existing computer architectures and file systems, and do not use some proprietary file format that requires extra care and feeding to maintain. User manuals are written for the lowest common denominator to avoid excessive phone calls for customer support. So if you manual 'suggests' to format before every use, the manufacturer is just ensuring that the user has a card in a file format that the camera can read (because we know users do some strange things).

It's not a right or wrong issue, but therefore we shouldn't use absolute terms either (must, never, always, etc..). I am on the side that only formats media once for it's intended purpose, but I will not tell people they HAVE to do it that way. But as someone who has been in and around IT/Network Security for some time, I want to help make sure information is accurate.
It is baffling me why we have to treat storage for... (show quote)


👍👍 Exactly.

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Aug 20, 2019 09:27:52   #
stogieboy Loc: Marlboro, NY
 
I always reformat once I've uploaded the photos from the card. I actually find it easier than deleting (less steps). But I also reformat because much like deleting a file from your computer, its not really "deleted" until new data is written over it. Now, I dont know if it is exactly the same thing with a card, but I'd rather start clean than take the chance of "deleted" data corrupting my photo shoot. I think its just better to start with a clean card each time...

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Aug 20, 2019 10:02:17   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Longshadow wrote:
I know that, been a computer geek from 1972.
Logically - it's "erased", physically, not.
Physically it's not a "drive", logicand ally it is...


Gosh, I'm so happy for you. As I said earlier, I have no intention of changing my personal workflow. What you wrote was incorrect as you stated. Go out and make some images. Best of luck.

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Aug 20, 2019 10:16:01   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
cjc2 wrote:
Gosh, I'm so happy for you. As I said earlier, I have no intention of changing my personal workflow. What you wrote was incorrect as you stated. Go out and make some images. Best of luck.

Did I suggest you change your MO?
Which statement(s) was incorrect?

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Aug 20, 2019 10:54:26   #
Kaib795 Loc: Maryland, USA
 
LFingar wrote:
Here's a tip I learned the hard way: If you bought a new card to use be sure to unwrap and test it before you need it. In 2001 I bought my first digital camera, a Kodak, for a cruise to Bermuda. It came with an 8MB CF card. To be sure I had enough capacity I also bought a Sandisk 16MB card. Never opened it. Just threw it in the suitcase. When it came time to use it I couldn't even get the camera to recognize it. Couldn't format it, nothing. Same story when I got home and tried it in my computer. It was junk. What made it worse was that I couldn't find a CF card any place on Bermuda. They had plenty of film but no cards. Sandisk replaced the card but they couldn't replace the shots I missed. Fortunately, I've never had another card problem of any kind since then.
Here's a tip I learned the hard way: If you bought... (show quote)


My vacation cure for your issue is to have two proven cards but more over, if only one worked I simply transfer all pictures off the camera every night to my laptop and then to another external HD. I make this transfer no matter what. So even if one card failed hopefully I'd get through it okay.

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