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Aug 2, 2019 08:28:36   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
If you want to come close to the FOV of an 85 on a FF, yes. You can shoot portraits with 35 to 300mm. Different focal length will have different effects. I believe there is a Joe Brady video on YouTube where he talks about different focal
lengths and their impact on shooting portraits. That may help you out. The focal length can distort or improve the shape and features as can the pose and lighting methods.

wpas wrote:
I read that the 85mm lens is an ideal lens for portraiture work. However, if you have a cropped DSLR camera, that’s a lens that seems impossible to buy as all of the 85mm lenses I see for sale, including the Nikon, are for full frame cameras. So that an 85mm lens placed on a cropped camera, as I believe most of us own, will actually be a 127mm lens, not a great portrait lens. Therefore, for most of us, I guess we should be using a 50mm lens that will give us an actual 75mm effective focal length which is closer to the recommended 85mm lens. I’m I thinking correctly here or am I missing something?
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Aug 2, 2019 08:50:05   #
JohnBoy5562 Loc: Alabama
 
wpas wrote:
I read that the 85mm lens is an ideal lens for portraiture work. However, if you have a cropped DSLR camera, that’s a lens that seems impossible to buy as all of the 85mm lenses I see for sale, including the Nikon, are for full frame cameras. So that an 85mm lens placed on a cropped camera, as I believe most of us own, will actually be a 127mm lens, not a great portrait lens. Therefore, for most of us, I guess we should be using a 50mm lens that will give us an actual 75mm effective focal length which is closer to the recommended 85mm lens. I’m I thinking correctly here or am I missing something?
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The closest focal I can find is the Nikon 60mm on my D7100 which equals 90mm. This is personal my favorite and you can find them used most of the time on letgo app or Facebook market place. I’m in Birmingham and on Facebook market place I found one for $200

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Aug 2, 2019 08:53:30   #
ELNikkor
 
My favorite portrait lens before digital was always my trusty 43-86 f3.5 Nikkor AI at 86 wide open, or at 5.6. Blurred the background nicely, just the right compression and distance from the subject. The 105 was a bit too long for my style. The later versions of the 43-86 were very sharp, unlike the earlier versions that gave it a bad reputation. My largest print from that lens is a 30x40 which is still on the wall in my dining room.
Now, the 18-55 kit lens is my favorite for DX, the 24-120 f4 for FX.

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Aug 2, 2019 09:07:30   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
wpas wrote:
I read that the 85mm lens is an ideal lens for portraiture work. However, if you have a cropped DSLR camera, that’s a lens that seems impossible to buy as all of the 85mm lenses I see for sale, including the Nikon, are for full frame cameras. So that an 85mm lens placed on a cropped camera, as I believe most of us own, will actually be a 127mm lens, not a great portrait lens. Therefore, for most of us, I guess we should be using a 50mm lens that will give us an actual 75mm effective focal length which is closer to the recommended 85mm lens. I’m I thinking correctly here or am I missing something?
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The best "portrait lens" would be highly situational dependent, I could see anything from approximately 35 to 150 working well depending on subject matter, single or group, distance to subject, size of shooting location, lighting, and other factors. 85mm is terrific, but not always workable.

Framing/composition, lighting/exposure, soft/sharp focus always seem more important to me than the MM of a given lens. Some like 60mm, some 85, some 105, 135, some just use whatever suits the situation. Make the best of what you have! or go with the GAS...........

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Aug 2, 2019 09:19:51   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
wpas wrote:
I read that the 85mm lens is an ideal lens for portraiture work. However, if you have a cropped DSLR camera, that’s a lens that seems impossible to buy as all of the 85mm lenses I see for sale, including the Nikon, are for full frame cameras. So that an 85mm lens placed on a cropped camera, as I believe most of us own, will actually be a 127mm lens, not a great portrait lens. Therefore, for most of us, I guess we should be using a 50mm lens that will give us an actual 75mm effective focal length which is closer to the recommended 85mm lens. I’m I thinking correctly here or am I missing something?
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It is all about the working space, and perspective, the longer the lens the flatter the image, you also have to consider that with a 135mm lens you have to stand back quite a distance to get a full body shot and even further for a group shot, the shorter lenses tend to elongate your subject's features, personally flattening or elongating has never been a big issue for me, but I am not a pro.

Below is an image created with a 500mm lens which came out just fine.


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Aug 2, 2019 09:24:37   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Oh my, has my smugness shone through again. I know it's a burden but someone has to do it.
But siriusly, woof, woof; a smug a UHH member!? Someone must be mistaken.


I thought perhaps it was me, but I did not overthink it.

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Aug 2, 2019 09:26:40   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I know a pro photographer who also uses his 70-200 for outdoor portraiture. I hired him as 1st shooter at my oldest daughters wedding a few years ago and his D810 had the 70-200 on it all day long and he shot lots of single, couple and group portrait shots. By the way, what is a snoze? A snooze is a nap and a nose is, well, a nose, regardless of size; but I can't find snoze in any online dictionary of web site.


The 70-200 is a great and widely used portrait lens.

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Aug 2, 2019 09:29:17   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Background control tips:

Find a background area, if possible that is somewhat darker than the subject area.

Move the subjects further away from the backgroud area.

Use a wide aperture and focus very precisely on the subject(s).

If the background is cluttered, rendering it way out of focus may help.

I did a quick and dirty edit on you image just to illustrate my points. This is a post-processing simulation- it's better to do this in camera.

Other tips: Use a reflector to get more light into the eyes and the eye sockets. If the refecor is placed anywhere from 25 to 45 degrees off camera you will also get more modeling in the faces.

Nice expressions! I tried to find a frame to pick up on the colors of teh flowers on her dress.
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Wonderful & Helpful suggestions......thanks E.L. Shapiro......much appreciated.

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Aug 2, 2019 09:33:49   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
The 85mm lens is fine if used correctly. That was the only lens used by the "pro" at our daughter's wedding; as a result, she took a photo of the bridal couple from the front of the auditorium, but we had to remove many chairs as she had to take her photo of the entire bridal party from many feet down the aisle.

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Aug 2, 2019 09:35:33   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
It is all about the working space, and perspective, the longer the lens the flatter the image, you also have to consider that with a 135mm lens you have to stand back quite a distance to get a full body shot and even further for a group shot, the shorter lenses tend to elongate your subject's features, personally flattening or elongating has never been a big issue for me, but I am not a pro.

Below is an image created with a 500mm lens which came out just fine.


I find a 85mm lens on a crop sensor camera ideal for head and shoulders shots, but I wouldn't use it for a full body or group shot. When we talk about portrait lenses, we need to specify what kind of portrait we are talking about. There isn't a single focal length appropriate for all kinds of portraits.

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Aug 2, 2019 09:46:16   #
sbohne
 
wpas wrote:
Wow! I feel I just had a real lesson. Thanks a bunch for taking your time to answer my question. This is a recent photo I took with a Nikon 18-200mm zoom set to about 80mm. I wasn’t happy with the background.


The flat back of her hand bothers me far more than the background. You can do a selective gaussian blur on the background...

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Aug 2, 2019 09:50:07   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
sbohne wrote:
The flat back of her hand bothers me far more than the background.
I didn't even notice.

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Aug 2, 2019 09:51:20   #
sbohne
 
I didn't photograph with 35mm professionally until digital. In the studio, we used a 180mm lens on our RZ67 cameras (a 6x7 cm neg) for all portraits. That factors to being a 135mm on 35mm. We had a 150mm lens for larger groups.

I also had the 90mm and 127mm lenses. They were not good portrait lenses, but they had the flattest field which made them good for copy work.

I preferred a 105 or 135mm lens over the 85mm on a full frame camera. On a crop sensor, the 85mm would probably be a good lens.

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Aug 2, 2019 09:53:29   #
sbohne
 
billnikon wrote:
Ask Jimmy D what a snoze is.


It's SCHNOZZ

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Aug 2, 2019 09:54:13   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
"You are missing something. The 85mm on a DX camera is a fine portrait lens. So, is a 105mm." I am in full agreement with this.

Lenses for "full frame" are very usable with FX cameras and were designed for them. They are also very usable with DX cameras although their focal length now covers only part of the sensor and as such there is a "digital factor" to multiply that focal length for, in the case of Nikon cameras it is 1.5. Useless to say how useful a tele is when using a DX body, so called "cropped body." Wide angles, as I am sure you know is a different story although today getting ultra wide angles for those cropped sensors is not that difficult. What is important to know is that FX or full frame lenses should be used with full frame cameras for best results. Incidentally, a 127 mm lens with a DX body is a great focal length for portraits.

I saw the image of the couple you photographed with the 18-200 VR Nikon lens and the subjects look great to me although I know you are not happy with the background. Learn to select your backgrounds and keep them at a distance and come closer to your subjects to limit the depth of field. I am not a fan of maximum lens aperture when it comes to portraits. Something I try to avoid is having a background that is partially shaded and partially lit, like the one you have in the portrait of the couple but that is me.

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