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Aug 3, 2019 15:51:24   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
tturner wrote:
In the mean time, multiple dead and wounded at a Walmart shooting in El Paso Texas, do you think this lens thing really matters?

Undoubtedly some died of cancer that night you photographed a lunar eclipse ... should you have not posted?

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Aug 3, 2019 15:54:22   #
tturner Loc: Savannah Ga
 
now that's just mean

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Aug 3, 2019 15:55:19   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
this is how I know it's time to halt watching this topic

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Aug 3, 2019 16:00:01   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
tturner wrote:
The sensor on my camera which has an APSC sensor has a dimension of 23 x 15mm, a 35mm film camera has dimensions of 36 x 24mm if you apply the pythagorean theorem you will find that the APSC sensor has a diagonal dimension of 27mm and the full frame sensor has a diagonal of 43mm.

if you divide 43 into 27 you will get a figure of 0.62 which can be rounded to 0.6

So if you have a film camera lens on a camera with an APSC sensor, divide the focal length by 0.6 and you will arrive at the equivalent focal length for you APSC camera.

Example 50mm divided by 0.6 equals 83.333.

If you want to find the "normal" focal length lens for a given camera simply apply the pythagorean theorem and you will find the exact focal length. Example, a full frame camera has a dimension of 36 x 24mm

36 squared plus 24 squared then find the square root, which is 43mm which can be rounded to 50.

It is not the new math or the heat in Savannah, it is simple geometry, those of you who have grown up in the digital world and do not know how to think for your self would not understand this, those of us who came from the "old" school understand that knowledge is power.
The sensor on my camera which has an APSC sensor h... (show quote)


What's with this "reverse ageism" I know plenty of younger folks who grew up in the digital age- my kids, my grandchildren, and many of my students of photography and trainees, all who are very good at thinking for themselves and many of them are outstanding students, accomplished and savvy photographers. They do very well at mathematics, geometry, calculus, differential equation, physics and dozens of optical formulas.
In portraiture, which this thread is about, I encourage them to be kind and respectful to folks of all ages and to relate well to PEOPLE people without pomposity and airs of superiority- it makes for lousy expressions in a portrait and very poor sales for your business.

I am "old school" and probably older than you. Most of the advanced amateurs and professional I know don't walk around with a calculator, a slide rule (see how old I am) or even a pencil and pad to figure out focal length/format combinations. We learned the theory in a nuts and bolts manner and instinctively know which lenses to reach for or the zoom settings for the field angle and results we want to arrive at for the camera bodies we use.

Nowadays there are perhaps 3 popular sensor sizes. In the olden days, we had to consider everything from subminiature to large format view cameras and we managed.

Attached is a handy chart that we used for reference. Yes, it is old and for film formats but one can easily see the relationships.

Just about every very thread has to end in a disrespectful commentary- that ain't helpful!



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Aug 3, 2019 16:00:38   #
tturner Loc: Savannah Ga
 
Sorry if my work and or comments offend you, well no not really

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Aug 3, 2019 16:19:42   #
tturner Loc: Savannah Ga
 
I agree, I don't carry a chart with me either, I just put a lens on and use it, I don't get caught up in crop factors as a rule, it's just a fun thing to play with.

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Aug 3, 2019 16:24:38   #
tturner Loc: Savannah Ga
 
I am immediately drawn to the quality and clarity of your subjects, I really didn't notice the background, very nicely done.

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Aug 3, 2019 16:32:20   #
tturner Loc: Savannah Ga
 
I didn't notice the background due to the quality and clarity of your subjects, very nicely done

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Aug 3, 2019 21:38:35   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Bill P wrote:
These posts are going in the wrong direction. There is no "perfect" or "required" lens for any situation.There are, however, lenses that do best at fulfilling your artistic aims. That is for you to decide, and none of our opinions matter a bit.

But to cloud the issue, I'll put my Nikkor 135/2 DC against your 85 any day.


A Nikkor 135 f/2 vs a Canon EF 85 f/1.2L. Ok, let's use the lenses for night sky photography, you really think the Nikkor will best the Canon at astronomy? Not a chance. Let's look at some silly categories where the Canon out shines the Nikkor. Which lens costs more? The Canon! Which lens is heavier? Actually, I don't know. I own the Canon lens and believe me, it is a heavy beast. Which lens is sharper? Personally, I'd call it a tie but factor in many other variables and the Canon wins by a very little tiny margin. Which lens would do more damage if you were smacked in the face with it. I'm going to have to give this one to the grapefruit sized hunk of glass and metal, the Canon. Which is a more specialized lens? No doubt about it, the Canon. Which lens is more bokehlicious? That's a tough one. The Nikkor has a longer focal length so it should be a wee bit better so for this I will substitute the Canon EF 200 f/2. It's big, bad, expensive and has amazing bokeh.
But siriusly, woof, woof, the Nikkor is a high performance portrait lens and the Canon is a super high performance specialty lens that's really good at portraiture if you know how to use it. Putting one lens against the other quite frankly, is pointless because they are two entirely different animals.

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Aug 3, 2019 22:27:56   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Before reading this I was going to suggest that my 18-200 is an ideal portrait lens. I find I can get plenty of bokeh shooting at f5.6.


You can certainly shoot portraits with your 18-200 but I wouldn't call it the ideal portrait lens.

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Aug 3, 2019 23:20:57   #
tturner Loc: Savannah Ga
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
You can certainly shoot portraits with your 18-200 but I wouldn't call it the ideal portrait lens.


Any lens used to make a portrait is a portrait lens

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Aug 3, 2019 23:58:00   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Saigon wrote:
rmorrison1116,

How the 85 f1.2 L perform on M50 body (with M-EF adapter)?

Thanks


I use the EF-EOS M2 adapter which has a 0.71X magnification factor which effectively turns the APS-C M50 into a simulated full frame. To be honest, the M50 with the EF 85 f/1.2L looks a little silly. The lens is like three times the size of the M50 body and it's not like a camera with a zoom lens, it's this enormous heavy prime. As for performance, it's quite good, especially in low light. That lens is a photon sponge. Set the camera to a moderately high ISO, say 3200, and with very little ambient light, the big lens will give you some pretty clean images. I will say it's a little clumsy, the small body on the big lens, but it does work well, just a little hard to hold on to. But, the M50 does have a decent grip and since you need to use an adapter, there's just enough finger room to hold on. The EF 85 f/1.2 is by no stretch of the imagination a general purpose lens so mating that body with that lens isn't something one would do all the time. But occasionally it's a fun combination.

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Aug 4, 2019 00:03:26   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
tturner wrote:
Any lens used to make a portrait is a portrait lens


Who said it wasn't? And no, you are incorrect. Just because something is used to do something doesn't mean it's main purpose is the something it was used to do. You can use a screw driver to chisel wood but it's not a wood chisel, it's a screw driver.

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Aug 4, 2019 11:08:13   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Adjusting the crop factor for use as a divisor rather than a multiplier is a bit unusual, as well as yielding a different equivalent focal length ....


Yes

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Aug 4, 2019 12:03:23   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
tturner wrote:
The sensor on my camera which has an APSC sensor has a dimension of 23 x 15mm, a 35mm film camera has dimensions of 36 x 24mm if you apply the pythagorean theorem you will find that the APSC sensor has a diagonal dimension of 27mm and the full frame sensor has a diagonal of 43mm.

if you divide 43 into 27 you will get a figure of 0.62 which can be rounded to 0.6

So if you have a film camera lens on a camera with an APSC sensor, divide the focal length by 0.6 and you will arrive at the equivalent focal length for you APSC camera.

Example 50mm divided by 0.6 equals 83.333.

If you want to find the "normal" focal length lens for a given camera simply apply the pythagorean theorem and you will find the exact focal length. Example, a full frame camera has a dimension of 36 x 24mm

36 squared plus 24 squared then find the square root, which is 43mm which can be rounded to 50.

It is not the new math or the heat in Savannah, it is simple geometry, those of you who have grown up in the digital world and do not know how to think for your self would not understand this, those of us who came from the "old" school understand that knowledge is power.
The sensor on my camera which has an APSC sensor h... (show quote)


Ok I’m going to guess your camera is a Canon with the APS-C sensor and that you rounded up. But Nikons DX sensor is a larger APS-C and if you rounded up using the pythagorean theorem it’s different, so there’s different cropped APSC sensor.

I got the impression the 0.6 factor applied too all APS-C size sensors. And I’m glad how you explained how you used the formula. Thank you Sir.

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