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Jul 23, 2019 13:38:31   #
FrumCA
 
MikeMck wrote:
I have had bone spurs. My argument is that he lied (what a shock). He just didn't want to go, but there were a lot of guys who didn't want to go but did anyway and died.


Without reading any further add me to the list of folks would like to see your documented proof that he lied. MadCow's and other DNC talking points don't count.

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Jul 23, 2019 13:44:35   #
Wrangler Loc: North Texas
 
Huey Driver wrote:
Not defending the war in any way but your statement "I certainly can't blame anyone for not going to that shitfest" is something we all should think about. What if most Americans felt that way about WWII and the ones that disagreed with the war opted not to go? And yes I realize that was a different time and a different war but we'd probably be speaking German or Japanese right now. Or in the next war and I think it's probably inevitable there will be one sooner or later what if everybody just made there own decision to participate or not. Nice idea but you probably wouldn't win that way and if we ever have to enter another war, enter to win not to do like we did in VN.
Not defending the war in any way but your statemen... (show quote)


We could use a take off of the old Ali line, “No German ever called me a racist.” According to Texcaster, we would instantly become world heroes.

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Jul 23, 2019 14:14:01   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Frank T wrote:
You might have a point there. George W Bush didn't go either. Joined the reserves and protected Texas from being attacked by Oklahoma.
Mission Accomplished.


Neither did Bill Clinton, or Obama, or Joe Biden, or Bernie Sanders (Bernie Sanders’ draft board was deciding on his claim that he refused to do military service because he was a conscientious objector. He did so to avoid having to serve his country in the Vietnam War.)

So what’s your point?????? At least GWB joined the reserves, which by definition are available for emergency conflicts.

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Jul 23, 2019 14:15:16   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
MikeMck wrote:
I got spit on too, but i wasn't a coward.


Given the number of LTs fragged, I would say there were more than a few cowards who actually did serve.

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Jul 23, 2019 14:16:01   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
MikeMck wrote:
I have had bone spurs. My argument is that he lied (what a shock). He just didn't want to go, but there were a lot of guys who didn't want to go but did anyway and died.


It’s your opinion, not really a valid argument.

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Jul 23, 2019 14:16:47   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
MikeMck wrote:
You people are someThing. Bone spur lies every time he opens his mouth.


You offer a Lame argument from a biased, lame mind.

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Jul 23, 2019 14:17:31   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
soba1 wrote:
Let me start with no I didn't serve.
Look a lot of Vietnam Era politicians dodged the draft so there is plenty of blame on both sides of the isle.
I do admire Vets especially in this order Vietnam then all the rest who fought on the wars there after.
Nam Vets maybe because of the disrespect the went through the ambiguity of the war.

I won't bash anyone who dodged Vietnam why; because honestly faced with those circumstances.
I may not have had the guts to go myself, and I haven't walked a miles in the shoes of those who served in combat an those chose not to.

With that being said I think the better marker for our current crop of draft dodging politicians would be how reluctant were they to get us into war.
Me personally I think out of all the presidents in recent history Trump might be the one who is and has been the most reluctant to get us into an unnecessary military action.
Let me start with no I didn't serve. br Look a lot... (show quote)



Nice, honest post, Soba!😎

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Jul 23, 2019 14:19:23   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Texcaster wrote:
You compare existential threats to the nation to a S.E. Asia get rich quick scheme for munitions and infrastructure contractors? That explains a lot.


Your ignorance of history and facts is astounding, but like most fascist progressives you don’t let an absence of facts get in the way of your narrative!

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Jul 23, 2019 14:21:02   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Texcaster wrote:
Draft dodging is only a big deal to supporters of DJT. You have to laugh, that's very funny.

Dodging Vietnam was the right thing to do. Where I come from if you wanted to get laid, you were anti-war.


Texy,

Try and follow the flow, son!

It’s the trump HATERS who seem preoccupied with draft dodging, not the supporters.

Perhaps you’ve been away so long (IF you ever really were here) that you’re having trouble following English and sentence construction???

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Jul 23, 2019 14:29:39   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
gorgehiker wrote:
I thought that one of the problems with the "squad" was that they just don't think that America is great enough. But if you state "GO DONALD TRUMP-make us great again", doesn't that mean that you don't think that we are already great.



I think the slogan “Make America Great Again” is apropos and does NOT refer to a single time in history but to the different people and attitudes in history that contributed to America’s status as the best place to be in the world.

Examples include the founders risking EVERYTHING to start a revolution and break away from England, industrialists and workers who committed to connecting the country via railroads, individuals who carved a single country out of many pieces via both politics (Loooziana purchase) and war (Alamo), individuals willing to risk it all again to correct historical wrongs (republicans putting an end to slavery AND pushing through the civil rights act), farmers and ranchers moving westward to creating food out of thin air for the world.......I think you get the point.

Those who insist it’s about a single time are nothing more than opportunist racists, and almost exclusively democrats.

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Jul 23, 2019 14:30:21   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
MikeMck wrote:
As much as you bone spur supporters try to deflect, this isn't about whether I served or not. I did serve, I am not a coward. 7 years in the Navy from 1963 - 1970. But, this isn't about me, as much as you want it to be. bone spur, in my opinion, does not have any credibility when it comes to patriotism because when asked to serve he used his money and got a doctor to say he has bone spurs. I have had bone spurs and I would have still served if drafted because it was the right thing to do. Just accept we have a difference of opinion, which I am allowed to have because I fought for this country, right or wrong, and I would do it again.
As much as you bone spur supporters try to deflect... (show quote)


Opinionated swill.

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Jul 23, 2019 14:30:52   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Cykdelic wrote:
I think the slogan “Make America Great Again” is apropos and does NOT refer to a single time in history but to the different people and attitudes in history that contributed to America’s status as the best place to be in the world.

Examples include the founders risking EVERYTHING to start a revolution and break away from England, industrialists and workers who committed to connecting the country via railroads, individuals who carved a single country out of many pieces via both politics (Loooziana purchase) and war (Alamo), individuals willing to risk it all again to correct historical wrongs (republicans putting an end to slavery AND pushing through the civil rights act), farmers and ranchers moving westward to creating food out of thin air for the world.......I think you get the point.

Those who insist it’s about a single time are nothing more than opportunist racists, and almost exclusively democrats.
I think the slogan “Make America Great Again” is a... (show quote)



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Jul 23, 2019 14:34:01   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I love those that serve, I just saw no reason to die or be maimed in the Vietnam war, it is a very personal thing especially for those that served, I do not disparage their service I respect it but I also respect those that would not die for the folly of Johnson and the CIA. I would have gladly fought against those that took our embassy in Iran, that was an act of war that was worthy to fight against.

Dad was a West Point Grad who had volunteered for WWII before being selected for the Point, he too did not see reason for his children to die in Vietnam. My cousin also served in the Navy, never left California, it was just another way to dodge active fighting in Vietnam.
I love those that serve, I just saw no reason to d... (show quote)



Blurry,

Let’s be clear..... it was JFK, not LBJ, that got us into Vietnam as it was JFK who gave the okay for the assassination of Ngo Dinh Diem.

Further, like most wars VN was religious....the French contacted JFK and let him know that they were bailing out and that NVM and the commies would liquidate the Christians in the south.

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Jul 23, 2019 14:34:28   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Cykdelic wrote:
I think the slogan “Make America Great Again” is apropos and does NOT refer to a single time in history but to the different people and attitudes in history that contributed to America’s status as the best place to be in the world.

Examples include the founders risking EVERYTHING to start a revolution and break away from England, industrialists and workers who committed to connecting the country via railroads, individuals who carved a single country out of many pieces via both politics (Loooziana purchase) and war (Alamo), individuals willing to risk it all again to correct historical wrongs (republicans putting an end to slavery AND pushing through the civil rights act), farmers and ranchers moving westward to creating food out of thin air for the world.......I think you get the point.

Those who insist it’s about a single time are nothing more than opportunist racists, and almost exclusively democrats.
I think the slogan “Make America Great Again” is a... (show quote)


I think you are absolutely and undeniably correct, MAGA is not MAGB.

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Jul 23, 2019 14:35:04   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
bluescreek wrote:
Yeah, I'm serious, but you're right, we have a difference of opinion, I think President Trump is doing a Good job, bone spurs or not, seems like you could sorta see that.


The fascist progressives can’t see it as they are “all in” on words..... actions and reality don’t mean much to them.

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