Gene51 wrote:
With a view camera you could also tilt and/or lower the rear standard instead of or in addition to the raising of the front standard for vertical keystoning. Also, in the darkroom, it was possible to correct modest keystoning by using a very small aperture on the enlarging lens and slightly tilting the easel.
Exactly! I have used the back tilt on my view camera many times to either CORRECT or force perspective. I am able to exaggerate the foreground as if I were using a wide angle lens at a relatively close distance and get that effect with a normal lens.
I have also incorporated easel tilting in the darkroom- back in the day. I even made a wedge and a few Rube Goldberg contraptions to enable the exact tilt. I got tired of looking for stuff in the dark to stick under the easel- door stops, paperweights, rusty tools etc! Problem was, that my enlarger lenses did not perform at their very best at f/22. OK up to about 16x20 from a medium format negative.
For those who are interested, I attached a few diagrams pertaining to perspective control with a view camer or a P/C lens or improvised methods for camera without theses movements.
I try to prevent distortion in shooting but the perspective controls in post-processing are my new tilting easel- actual words better.
Not too many view camera users or darkroom operators out there anymore. It's become a kinda "niche market".
Longshadow wrote:
I like to think discussion.
Are you arguing?
Semantics are fun. I prefer the attached definition of the word "argument". I don't necessarily fell that an argument needs to be a hostile or angry exchange or violent or agressive altercation. It can be part of a good debate or discussion.
For me, posing an argument is not tantamount to picking a fight! Perhaps, in our current state of affairs and political climate, differences of opinion need to be accompanied by angst and vitriol. Not my approach!
This being a photographic forum, I do appreciate arguments and discussions to be reinforced by some time- honored data, illustrations, charts, graphs, and most importantly PHOTOGRAPHS that support one's points of view. I am always open to new ideas and opposing concepts. Show me a picture!
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Semantics are fun. I prefer the attached definition of the word "argument". I don't necessarily fell that an argument needs to be a hostile or angry exchange or violent or agressive altercation. It can be part of a good debate or discussion.
For me, posing an argument is not tantamount to picking a fight! Perhaps, in our current state of affairs and political climate, differences of opinion need to be accompanied by angst and vitriol. Not my approach!
This being a photographic forum, I do appreciate arguments and discussions to be reinforced by some time- honored data, illustrations, charts, graphs, and most importantly PHOTOGRAPHS that support one's points of view. I am always open to new ideas and opposing concepts. Show me a picture!
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I've always looked at discussion as basically a calm interchange if thoughts and ideas. It can get somewhat emphatic at times though, but typically without anger.
I consider an argument a discussion that contains anger, whether a little or a lot.
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Yes. theses are all mine. I won't publish another photographer's work or any reference material without permission and proper credit to the source. I even have written permission form Kodak (from back in the day) to reproduce and publish online, excerpts of there Photoguides for EDUCATIONAL purposes.
On certin commercial assignments the client pays for elevation equipment and qualified operators. Best I can do on my own is a sturdy step ladder and a platform atop my van. I am also a qualified aerial photographer but I don't have my own aircraft- the clients need to pay for those too along with the pilot. Stupidly, I have no fear of heights! One of theses fine days, that might do me in! Just in case- it's been nice knowing y'all
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Oh, I see! … So you just use a cherry-picker when you find one at the party, huh?
Listen, Ed - I'd be careful, if I were you - with platforms on top of your van - sounds pretty risky!!!
Gene51
Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Exactly! I have used the back tilt on my view camera many times to either CORRECT or force perspective. I am able to exaggerate the foreground as if I were using a wide angle lens at a relatively close distance and get that effect with a normal lens.
I have also incorporated easel tilting in the darkroom- back in the day. I even made a wedge and a few Rube Goldberg contraptions to enable the exact tilt. I got tired of looking for stuff in the dark to stick under the easel- door stops, paperweights, rusty tools etc! Problem was, that my enlarger lenses did not perform at their very best at f/22. OK up to about 16x20 from a medium format negative.
For those who are interested, I attached a few diagrams pertaining to perspective control with a view camer or a P/C lens or improvised methods for camera without theses movements.
I try to prevent distortion in shooting but the perspective controls in post-processing are my new tilting easel- actual words better.
Not too many view camera users or darkroom operators out there anymore. It's become a kinda "niche market".
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I have a set of PC-E lenses - hard to let go of old habits.
Gene51
Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
Blair Shaw Jr wrote:
I have a similar & parallel question: Would a Tilt-Shift Lens correct any of the distortions that were mentioned in the posts from members above or would it add to the confusion?
Jimbo
You would only need a shift lens to do that. Raising the lens is similar to gaining a higher point of view. The tilt function changes the focus plane and can be used to extend depth of field in many cases. It is also used in the reverse fashion to severely limit depth of field, which gives the perception of a miniaturized scene.
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
Longshadow wrote:
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But, a calm discussion - can elevate into an argument. Whether anger enters into the picture, or not - is just another factor, Bill. I daresay you can have an argument w/o anger ….
Perhaps a discussion turns into an argument when each party insists that they a right and the other is wrong.
Chris T wrote:
But, a calm discussion - can elevate into an argument. Whether anger enters into the picture, or not - is just another factor, Bill. I daresay you can have an argument w/o anger ….
Yes, A calm discussion can escalate into an argument (or worse), the trick is to keep the discussion from doing that.
An argument without anger could be the use of very emphatic speech by all involved.
Now the other trick is to infer correctly in reading communications since there is no way, other than maybe by using bold, italics, caps, etc., of understanding any actual or intended inflection on the written words.
Howard5252 wrote:
Perhaps a discussion turns into an argument when each party insists that they a right and the other is wrong.
Not like THAT hasn't happened.
What I think is funny is that happens a lot, and it turns out in many cases that people are arguing the same thing from different sides of the fence, but they cannot see it because they are so intent on promoting
their interpretation.
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
Longshadow wrote:
Not like THAT hasn't happened.
What I think is funny is that happens a lot, and it turns out in many cases that people are arguing the same thing from different sides of the fence, but they cannot see it because they are so intent on promoting
their interpretation.
That's an interesting perspective, Bill … never thought of it, like that, but - Hot Damn! … You are SO right!
My work here is done. :-)
Ringer wrote:
I have never learned to use Photoshop and I am getting along pretty well with the editing tools in Windows 10. However, keystoning is a problem I haven't been able to solve. Once years ago I had a simple "fix" that worked most of the time, but I didn't form a habit of using it and now I have no idea what it was. Does anyone recall such a thing? It was some combination of Shift or Control and a number or letter, I think. Any ideas without learning Photoshop??
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I believe Photoshop has a transform function that uses like a wire mesh that can be moved to make the correction. DxO Viewpoint is also a program designed to make these corrections too.
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