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Jun 29, 2019 14:48:27   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
TriX wrote:
Actually I prefer my dominant hand to change gears, which on many cars, requires more precision and muscular coordination than holding onto a steering wheel. To each his own.

Cheers



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Jun 29, 2019 15:27:48   #
G Brown Loc: Sunny Bognor Regis West Sussex UK
 
In Europe they drive on the Right which as an Englishman I can accept easily. What I can't get used to is that 'those entering ' the highway have priority over those 'on' the highway. Equally those entering a roundabout have priority over those 'on' the roundabout - which as you also go anti-clockwise adds to the fun. Dover has a roundabout just outside the continental ferry port.....You actually see driver's brains trying to figure out which way to use it.

I understand that the reason UK had driving on the left was to do with horses and carriages. The 'whip' hand was further from the pedestrians.This allowed the less dominant left hand to hold the reins. But it probable was down to some petty bureaucrat.

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Jun 29, 2019 15:34:51   #
Abo
 
Tri X wrote:"Actually I prefer my dominant hand to change gears, which on many cars, requires more precision and muscular coordination than holding onto a steering wheel. To each his own."
Anhanga Brasil wrote:


Anhanga,

The above may, or may not be true.

But what is definitely true is; the consequences of an inaccurate and slower than required gear change
is far more benign than the consequences of an inaccurate and slower than required steering input.

So it must be better do dedicate the dominant hand to the steering wheel. Not the gear stick.

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Jun 29, 2019 16:12:06   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
Abo wrote:
Tri X wrote:"Actually I prefer my dominant hand to change gears, which on many cars, requires more precision and muscular coordination than holding onto a steering wheel. To each his own."


Anhanga,

The above may, or may not be true.

But what is definitely true is; the consequences of an inaccurate and slower than required gear change
is far more benign than the consequences of an inaccurate and slower than required steering input.

So it must be better do dedicate the dominant hand to the steering wheel. Not the gear stick.
Tri X wrote: i "Actually I prefer my dominant... (show quote)


I will return to this one tomorrow (if you are OK with it). I am late on other computer activities, right now.
I do consider it an interesting discussion (CONSIDERING streets and roads, ALONE).
Thanks for your understanding.

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Jun 29, 2019 16:18:05   #
Abo
 
Anhanga Brasil wrote:
I will return to this one tomorrow (if you are OK with it). I am late on other computer activities, right now.
I do consider it an interesting discussion (CONSIDERING streets and roads, ALONE).
Thanks for your understanding.


And thanks for contributing to the thread.
I look froward to hearing from you.

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Jun 29, 2019 17:37:10   #
btbg
 
Abo wrote:
A NASCAR is not a "race/ing car".

"Race/ing" cars are single seat, and purpose built for racing and NOT based on a car that could be used for public roads as is the NASCAR premise.

And "Racing Cars" definitely do not have doors, or in a NASCARs case, the semblance of doors.

A "racing car" with a window, LOL.


If you don't think NASCAR is racing cars then you are nuts. They are purpose built for the sole purpose of racing. They are most definitely racing cars. They are not street legal. They do not have doors. The driver enters through the drivers side window. NASCAR is no longer stock cars like they were in the 1060s. Just because they aren't nimble like formula 1 does not mean that they are not race cars.

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Jun 29, 2019 20:07:22   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Abo wrote:
I was reading the topic "When You Pass someone on the road" posted by Tim S.

The Left Hand Drive Versus Right Hand Drive issue soon arose.
Those who drive on the left supported their native situation
and those who drive on the right supported that.

And the reasoning did not go beyond, we drive on this side of the road, so it must be the best
way to do it.

Which contains no logic or reason really. Saying, "I do it this way, makes this way right",
fails as soon as it is countered with, "I do it the other way, makes the other way right".

1+minus1=0

I drive on the left side of the road in a RHD vehicle. I believe it's the better way, not just
because that's the way it is down here, but because of a darn good reason.

And that is; most people are right handed which means when we let go of the steering
to change gears our dominant right hand remains on the steering wheel to steer the car.

If you think that is insignificant try writing with your left hand or using a hammer in your
left hand.

And all you lefties out there, pipe down. You think it would be better for most people
to have less control over their cars than the least amount of people to have less control over their car?

Sorry USA/Continental Europe, but you got it wrong.
I was reading the topic "When You Pass someon... (show quote)


I live and drive primarily in the US, but I've had a number of extended vacations in Ireland and in the UK during which I rented a car. I don't seem to have a problem with staying on the correct side of the road or turning into the proper lane when making turns. I do seem to have a problem with manually shifting with my left hand, mainly because my brain is programmed to push away rather than pull and vice versa when shifting gears. It doesn't matter that I'm using a different hand in the UK. My brain seems to remember it the "same" way in both hands, resulting in "starting" in 3rd gear, "downshifting" into 4th etc.

So I started renting automatics after two trips. Problem solved.

By the way, most of our UK friends still drive standard shift cars. The last time we went in 2018, we booked an automatic, and there were only two on a large rental car lot.

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Jun 29, 2019 22:34:19   #
Abo
 
btbg wrote:
If you don't think NASCAR is racing cars then you are nuts. They are purpose built for the sole purpose of racing. They are most definitely racing cars. They are not street legal. They do not have doors. The driver enters through the drivers side window. NASCAR is no longer stock cars like they were in the 1060s. Just because they aren't nimble like formula 1 does not mean that they are not race cars.




Cr@p. NASCAR = National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing... Not "racing" car racing

NASCAR is racing cars but a NASCAR is not a "racing car".
An Indy car is a racing car.


And the Chevy Lumina NASCAR represents the Chevy Lumina that you go to the grocery store in
and that does have doors the last time I looked;
but you ignore that, because that's what ignoramuses do.

There's a number of other reasons why a NASCAR is not a "Racing Car" but you
don't have the processing power to understand the difference so I'm not going to waste
any more cyber space on an exercise of futility, explaining a concept to an ignoramus
like you.

"nimble" LOL

Get lost btbg.

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Jun 29, 2019 23:04:09   #
Abo
 
therwol wrote:
I live and drive primarily in the US, but I've had a number of extended vacations in Ireland and in the UK during which I rented a car. I don't seem to have a problem with staying on the correct side of the road or turning into the proper lane when making turns. I do seem to have a problem with manually shifting with my left hand, mainly because my brain is programmed to push away rather than pull and vice versa when shifting gears. It doesn't matter that I'm using a different hand in the UK. My brain seems to remember it the "same" way in both hands, resulting in "starting" in 3rd gear, "downshifting" into 4th etc.

So I started renting automatics after two trips. Problem solved.

By the way, most of our UK friends still drive standard shift cars. The last time we went in 2018, we booked an automatic, and there were only two on a large rental car lot.
I live and drive primarily in the US, but I've had... (show quote)


Unlearning can be harder than learning.

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Jun 30, 2019 02:48:41   #
btbg
 
Abo wrote:
Cr@p. NASCAR = National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing... Not "racing" car racing

NASCAR is racing cars but a NASCAR is not a "racing car".
An Indy car is a racing car.


And the Chevy Lumina NASCAR represents the Chevy Lumina that you go to the grocery store in
and that does have doors the last time I looked;
but you ignore that, because that's what ignoramuses do.

There's a number of other reasons why a NASCAR is not a "Racing Car" but you
don't have the processing power to understand the difference so I'm not going to waste
any more cyber space on an exercise of futility, explaining a concept to an ignoramus
like you.

"nimble" LOL

Get lost btbg.
Cr@p. NASCAR = National Association for b Stock C... (show quote)


I fail to understand why I am now an ignoramus. I used the definition of a racing car that you did. Purpose built for racing. I know what the NASCAR acronym stands for, but they are not stock cars. They are purpose built for racing.

I just got back from shooting a race at Sonoma and there is absolutely nothing stock about them except for the company insignia on each car.

What your response shows is that you are so impressed with more "hi-tech" versions of racing that you snobbishly fail to recognize the most successful brand of racing in the world today. Heck, unlike formula 1 all the time and Indy car on road courses Nascar actually has passing and a relatively level playing field.

As far as processing power don't be ridiculous. I have a masters degree in science and have a pretty good handle on the differences in the different racing series.

Just because it is a sport for rednecks in large part doesn't mean they aren't driving race cars. Look at your own definition that you gave for a race car. Then look at how nascar produces their cars. They meet your definition.

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Jun 30, 2019 05:41:44   #
Canonuser Loc: UK and South Africa
 
Ladies, put your hand bags down before someone gets seriously hurt or offended.
I’ve driven many thousands of miles on both sides of the road and don’t give a shit about it as long as the steering wheel is on the right when I’m driving on the left and on the left when I’m driving on the right.
Anyone seeing a problem with either should perhaps not be driving at all.

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Jun 30, 2019 05:53:47   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
I think it highly unlikely that when selecting LHD or RHD cars and which side of the road you drove on had anything to do with racing cars of any description. So forget that part of this discussion. I have driven extensively in the US but prefer driving on the left hand side of the road because I prefer my right hand (I am right handed) to be holding the steering wheel. And I drive an auto so actually can keep BOTH hands on the wheel.
We have give way on the right but a while ago some numbskull in the govt though it better to start giving way to the left so they changed the law (when I was out of the country). Then they realized their mistake and changed it back again some years later. There were two thoughts that came to mind over this business -
1. Don't trust any govt because they can be wrong (and sometimes SO wrong).
2. It does show that a govt CAN fix a mistake. You just have to persevere.

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Jun 30, 2019 06:36:58   #
Stephan G
 
After all these centuries, Napoleon is omitted in the discussion on which side of the road one drives.

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Jun 30, 2019 06:42:13   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
I'm amazed that Angmo has not joined in with this as he believes all lefties are evil

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Jun 30, 2019 06:43:33   #
Dan Mc Loc: NM
 
Learning curve................try switching to a "left brake/right shift motorcycle!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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