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Why go Mirrorless when I have a Canon 5d mK IV?
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Jun 26, 2019 09:26:29   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
DavidPhares wrote:
A good friend of mine has been bugging me to “move up” to the new full frame mirrorless camera.

I have been advised by several of those in the know that the sensor on the new mirrorless is no better than the Mk IV. Keep in mind I have four (4) Canon EF “L” lenses to support the Mk IV.

I shoot mostly portraits in my personal studio, which is equipped with a full set of ceiling mounted pull-down lights, and free standing lights.

Why should I “move up” given the significant expense?

I am open to opinions on both sides. 😄

David
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If I saw a distinct advantage then I would purchase that new camera. Right now, I'm happy with my "joint" It suits me well even if I'm a hobbyist. When the price drops to 75% off, I still will have my kids in college. That is where I invest my energy

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Jun 26, 2019 09:43:52   #
DrJ
 
I have road bikes and mountain bikes. I have Canon DSLRs and mirrorless by 3 manufacturers. DSLRs work better for action sports, mirrorless cameras work better when I want to travel lite or exploit sharp MF legacy lenses. DrJ

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Jun 26, 2019 09:43:54   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
DavidPhares wrote:
A good friend of mine has been bugging me to “move up” to the new full frame mirrorless camera.

I have been advised by several of those in the know that the sensor on the new mirrorless is no better than the Mk IV. Keep in mind I have four (4) Canon EF “L” lenses to support the Mk IV.

I shoot mostly portraits in my personal studio, which is equipped with a full set of ceiling mounted pull-down lights, and free standing lights.

Why should I “move up” given the significant expense?

I am open to opinions on both sides. 😄

David
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I would not consider it a move up . . . because I think it would be a move down. That said, you might consider getting the Canon full frame mirrorless R or RP just so that you can simply get acquainted with ML cameras so that you'll be ready when you do make the switch. That is, if you can afford to purchase one just to play with. It's not a move up because the new ML's don't have all the same bells and whistles as the 5D IV such as dual card slots, rugged build and waterproofing. I simply don't think they are quite there yet.

Someone else commented that the 5D IV's mirror slapping noise is one good reason to upgrade. Really? I don't think so. If that is the case you can simply put it in quiet mode, or you can use it like a mirrorless camera by putting it in LiveView mode. But the noise that the shutter makes for portraits, in my humble opinion, isn't a problem. I kind of like the sound of a shutter. About the only time you really need a quiet shutter is when doing weddings in a church. Yes, there might be a few other instances where a quiet shutter might come in handy, but I haven't run into any.

There is one thing that a friend of mine found out about her RP that is kind of cool that the 5D IV can't do and that is that it can do focus stacking. She put her RP in focus stack mode and she can focus it on the front of a subject, tell it to take 20 sequential images and it will figure out the front and back of the subject and space out the focus so that you have a stackable image that is in perfect focus front to back. I've seen it work. You can adjust the number of shots etc... But this isn't going to make me run out and buy one. I'm waiting for a newer and better ML from Canon that is "as good or better" than the IV.

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Jun 26, 2019 09:49:57   #
Carl S
 
If you are into video, then the mirrorless is the way to go. Trying to take a good video in strong sunlight is almost impossible with a conventional SLR because the sun makes the rear screen very difficult to view. If you aren't into video, stay with what you have!

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Jun 26, 2019 09:50:09   #
Carl S
 
If you are into video, then the mirrorless is the way to go. Trying to take a good video in strong sunlight is almost impossible with a conventional SLR because the sun makes the rear screen very difficult to view. If you aren't into video, stay with what you have!

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Jun 26, 2019 09:50:24   #
Carl S
 
If you are into video, then the mirrorless is the way to go. Trying to take a good video in strong sunlight is almost impossible with a conventional SLR because the sun makes the rear screen very difficult to view. If you aren't into video, stay with what you have!

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Jun 26, 2019 09:50:56   #
Carl S
 
If you are into video, then the mirrorless is the way to go. Trying to take a good video in strong sunlight is almost impossible with a conventional SLR because the sun makes the rear screen very difficult to view. If you aren't into video, stay with what you have!

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Jun 26, 2019 09:56:13   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
DavidPhares wrote:
I used to played a lot of golf. I had a set of original “square groove” Ping Eye-2 clubs. I loved those clubs. When newer clubs came along I was tempted to move up to the newer clubs when I realized my Eye-2s were better than I was. When I felt my clubs were holding me back, then I would search for better clubs.

One of you clearly stated, “it’s a better camera than I am a photographer,” and that pretty much said it all for me.

Thank you all for your input. I will stay put. 😄

P. S. I love this forum!
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I like your golf analogy! New clubs never really improved my game, learning how to use them better (lessons and practice) did. That same story also applied to my photography. Switching metaphors, it’s never the bat, it’s always the batter. Being of a technical bent mirror-less is very interesting to me but I have yet to see any compelling reasons to change. The heart of the modern camera is the sensor and mirror-less cameras are using sensors that are either the same as those in DSLRs or of little significant difference. If manufacturers put a vastly improved sensor in the camera then I’ll be standing in line .

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Jun 26, 2019 09:58:32   #
timeve
 
My opinion, If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Jun 26, 2019 10:02:42   #
Zooman 1
 
I have the 7D M II, and the 80D and the R. Since getting the R I have not used the 7D M II, Find I am using the R with a variety of lens including a couple 'Ls' most of the time, but also use the 80D. I do like the 7D M II but without the variable LCD, which I use frequently it sets on the shelf. Really like the full frame of the R.

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Jun 26, 2019 10:14:20   #
jeryh Loc: Oxfordshire UK
 
Don't do it ! Not necessary with your kit !!

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Jun 26, 2019 10:31:49   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
DavidPhares wrote:
A good friend of mine has been bugging me to “move up” to the new full frame mirrorless camera.

I have been advised by several of those in the know that the sensor on the new mirrorless is no better than the Mk IV. Keep in mind I have four (4) Canon EF “L” lenses to support the Mk IV.

I shoot mostly portraits in my personal studio, which is equipped with a full set of ceiling mounted pull-down lights, and free standing lights.

Why should I “move up” given the significant expense?

I am open to opinions on both sides. 😄

David
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As a professional I am puzzled as to why this is this something you have to ask.

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Jun 26, 2019 10:36:37   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
DavidPhares wrote:
A good friend of mine has been bugging me to “move up” to the new full frame mirrorless camera.

I have been advised by several of those in the know that the sensor on the new mirrorless is no better than the Mk IV. Keep in mind I have four (4) Canon EF “L” lenses to support the Mk IV.

I shoot mostly portraits in my personal studio, which is equipped with a full set of ceiling mounted pull-down lights, and free standing lights.

Why should I “move up” given the significant expense?

I am open to opinions on both sides. 😄

David
A good friend of mine has been bugging me to “move... (show quote)


I think one or both of the following is true: 1) UHH'ers don't know as much as they think they do in many cases. 2) All MILCs and DSLRs by different manufacturers are not the same.

I own both a Pentax K-3 and a Fuji X-100T. I also own several other Pentax digital and film cameras and many types of Pentax lenses. As per my tagline I have a K-5, K-20D, and K-100D digitals, plus K2 DMD, K1000, and Spotmatic film bodies. Due to my hands' arthritis a Full Frame K-1 is out of the question.
When I use the Pentax K-3 on Live View with Focus Peaking and say with the mirror locked-up it seems to function pretty much like the Fuji. Except the "zooming" Focus Peaking is easier to use or read on the Pentax K-3! Of course the Fuji has its odd "fuji" features of a hybrid OVF / EVF and both Rangefinder and Mirrorless focusing with extreme shutter speeds and built-in ND filter. Though I have not really gotten comfortable at all with the Fujifilm camera, it is a complex machine. Oh, and I don't shoot video.

Oh, and a third proposal, 3) Most Canon or Nikon owners act like Nikon and Canon cameras are all that exist and don't consider the features of other brands nor other UHH'ers.

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Jun 26, 2019 10:38:11   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
BECAUS IT'S NEW.. I don't understand the rush. I have filled with one and my friends have also used or have them from several manufactures. Some are good some are better but all are taking the same quality pictures and have different problems (or drawbacks) as the existing cameras. If I don't see a reason to help me duo a better picture why buy it. I also look at the cost or problem in using my existing equipment.
Nouthing wrong with the new stuff but why?

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Jun 26, 2019 10:38:46   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Rich1939 wrote:
I like your golf analogy! New clubs never really improved my game, learning how to use them better (lessons and practice) did. That same story also applied to my photography. Switching metaphors, it’s never the bat, it’s always the batter. Being of a technical bent mirror-less is very interesting to me but I have yet to see any compelling reasons to change. The heart of the modern camera is the sensor and mirror-less cameras are using sensors that are either the same as those in DSLRs or of little significant difference. If manufacturers put a vastly improved sensor in the camera then I’ll be standing in line .
I like your golf analogy! New clubs never really ... (show quote)


Perhaps not vastly, but yes different, Fujifilm digital cameras' sensors!

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