Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky

Interesting story and video on why Mac's are slower than PC's.

https://petapixel.com/2019/06/11/this-is-why-macs-are-slower-than-pcs/?mc_cid=6fd9383ceb&mc_eid=94411c48bf

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

I'll comment before I see the video. There are too many variables. I've seen examples where the Mac was faster and the PC was faster.

EDIT: Good video. The more heat a machine generates, the slower it operates. That makes sense. I saw a listing of salaries paid by Apple, and the designers earned significantly more than the engineers. People want something that "looks cool," whether it runs cool or not.

Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky

I think if you are only using the MAC for non Photoshop editing then it would do well with the thermal test. But as we all know, Photoshop editing is a very labor and resource intensive program. I would think that people would want the machine that's going to give them the best performance over the long haul. Just my two cents.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Which Mac and which PC?

However I will put my new PC build up against the vast majority of macs or any other home computers except high end gamers.
i9 9900K
Asrock Z390 Taichi mobo
Samsung (512GB) E 970 Pro NVME M.2 SSD
Zotac RTX2060 6GB video card
Corsair 750 power pack
Noctua NH-U14S CPU cooler(actually outperforms most liquid coolers)
32GB(will be 64 when the other two simms arrive) of Crucial D4 3000 RAM.
And I recycled two high speed HDD data drives, a 1 TB for documents etc and a 6 TB for photos and videos.
All in a full tower gaming case with 4 other fans - I recycled my 2011 iBuyPower gamer case when my original mobo died a couple of weeks ago.
Backup done daily to an 8TB external. And I have 3 older externals for extra copies of images and music.

The new parts came to just under $2000* plus $200 to my tech to build and test it (new copy of Win 10 Pro) then transfer some of the parts to our son's train simulator desktop (he is Special Needs and loves trains) Only two parts to go to upgrade him for the latest train simulator that he has seen promos for and wants, badly. My wife looked shocked when I told her those two parts (CPU and video card) would come to $600 to $1000 depending what I can find on eBay. This new simulator is high end and calls for a real gaming class computer.

*A prebuilt computer with the same specs is nearly $4000 in the 3 brands I checked before having this one built.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

Actually, regardless of the results of this specific test, this is one of my main complaints of Macs. Their packaging is stylish and executed with high grade materials, BUT the price is poor cooling (which affects both performance and reliability) and repairability/upgradeability - style at the expense of function.

chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand

I have just watched the film about Steve Jobs.
One thing I took from it is a knowledge now as to why Macs are so bad. It is all about design over function. That came through very well.

johnst1001a Loc: West Chester, Ohio

Hmmm interesting, my imac is fairly slow, which i have attributed to only 16gb ram. its a 2011 machine. i also have a slow non sSD drive. i have an app that gives me available RAM, which gos below 1gb, so I close my browser ad other programs. Helps. One thing that i have noticed is the cpu temp runs around 120 deg 9not sure if f or c, but i think it Deg f. is that hot or not but the computer cabinet seems warm. the fan is running inside the computer? i wonder is there 1 or 2 fans? could 1 be not working. The other thing i worry about is my hard drive. In the past week I had 2 computer lockups while using photoshop. both when saving a photo, it took several attempts to get the computer restarted. The statusbar during starp would get 3/4 of the way then stop. I forced a power down, retried, and after a few tries it rebooted. so perhaps my hd is going bad. i do have all my files on separate drives, double backed up. Thoughts

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

I had a Mac for several years before switching to a PC because of work. When I retired, I went straight back to a Mac and didn’t look back. I never saw any difference in speed, just ease of use.

AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio

Wow, sounds great! You should be good to go for quite awhile with that setup. I am partial to MSI motherboards though.

Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb

WE have to-many variables to judge. One is RAM both windows machines and Macs give you a choice. And the faster machine may be in milliseconds. I have both and find the new 27" Mac screen is what I love about working my pictures on the Mac.

Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb

WE have to-many variables to judge. One is RAM both windows machines and Macs give you a choice. And the faster machine may be in milliseconds. I have both and find the new 27" Mac screen is what I love about working my pictures on the Mac.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

Desktop Macs used to be engineered to be easy to access and work on and also engineered to run efficiently and cool, but that was while Steve Jobs was alive.

nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY

This has been Apple's modus operandi for twenty years. Their major focus is style, cuteness, thinness, lightness (commonly referred to as "beautiful industrial design") at the expense of cooling the CPU. Make the laptop thinner and lighter? Leave out a cooling fan and vents. Make a desktop more compact and totally quiet? Don't put in a fan. Put all your faith in good-old convection, which doesn't work thru plastics.

This philosophy also results in paper-thin keyboards that are lemons. Desktops that are not user-serviceable or expandable. Can't even change a laptop or phone battery by yourself.

Ridiculous.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

I followed this article from Photographylife. https://photographylife.com/the-ultimate-pc-build-for-photography-needs/2
This is page two which is his 2019 Coffee Lake Refresh based build.
I was in a hurry so parts on his list they didn't have at the store I took the next model up rather than wait for them to be ordered.
I used my old 2011 iBuyPower machine's full tower case (3 fans-1 top, 1 front, 1 back) and I kept my 1TB data drive and 6TB image storage drives. I also have an 8TB external for backups and a couple of older smaller externals for extra copies of special things.

I saved some money on the monitor by getting a Samsung HiDef 32". When I pay the rest of it off in about 3 months I plan on getting a BenQ 32" 4K (I have a "mad money" account that gets about 10% of my income - toys for me, gifts for the family, projects I feel I should not pay for out of the "family" account, like my computer, books, camera gear and landscaping for birds and butterflies.) If I really can't edit well on this one I will go back to my 27" graphic arts monitor for a few months-but that one is going to my Wife. The 32"(curved screen) will go to our Special Needs son for his train simulator programs. A lot bigger trains on a 32" than his old 24".

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

As others have said...there have been videos that showed just the opposite.

As for me...I'll keep to my macbook pro...it's been100% reliable and functional for 4+ years. No drivers to mess with, no random crashes...no video cards that are incompatible...no reloading of anything...it just works. Period.

That's more than I can say for my new (for work) Windoze machine that cost 1.5X as much.