Tariffs ultimately increase consumer prices (Page 4): I agree. I certainly am not advocating pulling the rug out on anyone for long established programs for crops and the use of gov't...

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Blurryeyed wrote:

That is exactly why I generally don't support subs... (show quote)

I agree. I certainly am not advocating pulling the rug out on anyone for long established programs for crops and the use of gov't ranges. The subsidies evolved into a program that was quite different from their original intent.

I also get a kick out of the so called Farm Bill. A rose by any other name! BTW, there's a move being considered that will allow the purchase of beef jerky, deemed nutritional, by recipients of Farm Bill subsidies. The bigger joke is that farmers get somewhere around 20% of this funding.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

Blurryeyed wrote:

So, if American companies producing in Mexico have to pay a tariff that represents more than labor costs if that product were produced in the US do you think that they will stay in Mexico, KMG, what is your position on immigration, are you OK with over two million flowing into the US each year with no real documentation on over 1/2 of them?

What do you think we should be doing?

I have no idea how to fix immigration; nor have any politicians that I have heard including the man in charge. Just don’t pretend that Trump’s tariffs will fix the Mexico part of it.
Even Mitch doesn’t buy that, and he has kissed Trump’s ass everyday for two years.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

wilpharm wrote:

true Dave but rarely if ever have I seen a gringo comment on UK policies or politicians but the limeys & canucks, aussies etc are very quick to hammer USA business..
Canadians especially have their own problems with funky lil Justine & influx of muzzles..

You should consider this educational, progressive cry babies are the same all over the world.

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

Blurryeyed wrote:

You should consider this educational, progressive cry babies are the same all over the world.

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LWW wrote:

Actually you did reference a static economy, altho... (show quote)

You presume that all of those changes would occur at a moment's notice. Ramping up domestic production will take years. For instance, look at MP Materials; they supply rare earth elements' ores to China for refinement. China now says they will curtail our access to ores we supplied! This is a national security issue and even with a full out effort, it will take MP Materials years to provide domestic production.

Your point about finding alternate supplies is equally wrong for today. Even if advantageous pricing was available, increased production is not. Additional production capacity would have to be built to meet their increased demand. You're being unrealistic about today's problems because you're looking at this from a macro-economic perspective.

So, once again you deliberately misrepresented a point. You changed the scope from the present, with which I am very concerned, to a future solution that will be correct in time but wrongly applied in this thread.

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DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Blurryeyed wrote:

You should consider this educational, progressive cry babies are the same all over the world.

Off on another tangent that was not even remotely included in my post.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Kmgw9v wrote:

I have no idea how to fix immigration; nor have any politicians that I have heard including the man in charge. But don’t pretend that Trump’s tariffs will fix the Mexico part of it.
Even Mitch doesn’t buy that, and he has kissed Trump’s ass everyday for two years.

The answer lies with congress, but Trump is not one to sit back and accept the failure of congress to act, he will do what he can and the only tool that he has in the box is tariffs, the fact that the Mexican government scrambled its representation to DC speaks to how seriously the Mexican's are taking the imposition of tariffs.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

DaveO wrote:

Off on another tangent that was not even remotely included in my post.

That was not even remotely directed at you but rather directed at the Aussies Brits and Canuks who come here to tell us what an asshole Trump is.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Blurryeyed wrote:

The answer lies with congress, but Trump is not one to sit back and accept the failure of congress to act, he will do what he can and the only tool that he has in the box is tariffs, the fact that the Mexican government scrambled its representation to DC speaks to how seriously the Mexican's are taking the imposition of tariffs.

We'll find out just how capable they are. Frankly, it doesn't look terribly promising.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

Blurryeyed wrote:

The answer lies with congress, but Trump is not one to sit back and accept the failure of congress to act, he will do what he can and the only tool that he has in the box is tariffs, the fact that the Mexican government scrambled its representation to DC speaks to how seriously the Mexican's are taking the imposition of tariffs.

You do remember that the Republicans controlled Congress for the first two years of the man’s reign.
Again, the flood of immigrants will not be stopped by making their lives in Mexico even more desperate.
Why do immigrants immigrate?

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Blurryeyed wrote:

That was not even remotely directed at you but rather directed at the Aussies Brits and Canuks who come here to tell us what an asshole Trump is.

Wil made the statement you referenced and that was an unrelated response Wil made to my post. All I said was that there are folks from the UK on the forum, so LWW's remarks regarding the use of quotation marks needed broader clarification.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Kmgw9v wrote:

I have no idea how to fix immigration; nor have any politicians that I have heard including the man in charge. Just don’t pretend that Trump’s tariffs will fix the Mexico part of it.
Even Mitch doesn’t buy that, and he has kissed Trump’s ass everyday for two years.

Mitch is concerned about the economic disruption and I don't blame him, any thinking person is, it will not only hurt restaurants and grocers but the auto industry and many others such as A/C for example will take a hit...… Again, Trump is playing with fire, but you know what, just sitting back and watching a dysfunctional government is not an answer either. The dems could fix this by not letting these people into the country until their asylum claim is settled, clearly they are coming for economic opportunity and the laws should be written to recognize this fact.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

DaveO wrote:

Wil made the statement you referenced and that was an unrelated response Wil made to my post. All I said was that there are folks from the UK on the forum, so LWW's remarks regarding the use of quotation marks needed broader clarification.

Well, I did not intend to respond to anything you said, I was thinking more of bunky and a couple of others and responding directly to Wilphram's statement.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Blurryeyed wrote:

Well, I did not intend to respond to anything you said, I was thinking more of bunky and a couple of others and responding directly to Wil.

LOL, it's getting quite drawn and fragmented to bother spending any more time. Maybe tomorrow we can solve the world's problems!

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Kmgw9v wrote:

You do remember that the Republicans controlled Congress for the first two years of the man’s reign.
Again, the flood of immigrants will not be stopped by making their lives in Mexico even more desperate.
Why do immigrants immigrate?

You know that is a false argument, you and I often disagree on things but believe it or not I do respect you, so please don't insult my intelligence with this argument, you do know that you need 60 votes for cloture in order for a bill can proceed to the floor, the democrats had the ability to filibuster any bill that came to the floor so no, the republicans did not have full control of the congress as you have suggested.