hogilbert wrote:
I have been watching a Youtube video by a photographer, JCristina who claims that Adobe is making major changes in it's Creative Cloud offering. Namely a doubling of the subscription price to $21 for an individual. Also they will no longer support standalone versions beyond the last two for LR and PS. The most alarming statement he makes is that if you are using an older version you must delete them or you will be in violation of copyright laws and could be prosecuted. It seems to me that if you buy software (not a subscription) then you are the owner. I would be interested to hear what others know about this rumor. I can find nothing on Adobe's website to support this.
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By the way, as an addendum, you never "own" commercial software! You may purchase a perpetual license, but its use is subject to the limitations of the User License Agreement (ULA) which can vary significantly from one software manufacturer to another. Try selling the software you "own" or try installing it on 50 different machines.
This may be fake news at this time. However, it's only a matter of time before their subscription prices do indeed increase, it's the way of the world. As long as Adobe (or anyone else for that matter) provides value for the money, they will be successful in increasing prices and continuing their subscription style business practices. It's up to each of us consumers to decide when and if they cross that line and Adobe has already alienated many of us by moving to their subscription system to begin with. I think they had better be careful not to raise their price too quickly or they could lose much of their sales base, but that's just business as usual and I assume they know what they are doing. Thankfully, there are many other options out there that are still an affordable one time purchase and provide lasting value as well. Frankly, I think that Abode has made it easier for these other companies to succeed and will in the long run damage their "King of the Hill' status because of it. I for one will never support a subscription software package simply because I don't want to see everyone else move in that direction as well. Therefore, if I can't buy a perpetual licence, then I'll spend my money elsewhere or not at all. To each his or her own, good luck and good shooting!
NCMtnMan
Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
Well, if you read it on the Internet then it has to be true!
mwsilvers wrote:
By the way, as an addendum, you never "own" commercial software! You may purchase a perpetual license, but its use is subject to the limitations of the User License Agreement (ULA) which can vary significantly from one software manufacturer to another.
Correct. And many EULAs (End User License Agreement) include a clause that the software author may revoke the "perpetual" license for specified reasons.
47greyfox
Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
Nice feature of the internet is the ability to find information supporting or refuting just about anything. It’s flexible. 🥴
One could have also purchased a '70's countertop microwave, as we did. Did we choose to keep that huge Goliath forever? No. Software, as with appliances, will always evolve. If you stilled used and enjoyed the microwave, as well as have the counter space, then so be it. Keep it until it runs no more. We have choices, that's what makes America Great.
CHG_CANON wrote:
You can read anything on the internet, including inaccurate to completely wrong information ...
The absence of info from Adobe is an indicator. Using the search function on UHH might be another way to find discussion. Given what you describe, you'd think there would to 10 new items a day, everyday for weeks on end, on UHH about these ideas ...
and........you do not buy software, you rent it (as a general rule),
JCristina does make some valid points. The rental model is distasteful to some.
In a more recent video than the one I believe is refered to here, JChristina has decided to cut the chord with Adobe. This is a brave step for someone who is a working professional who has suscribed to the $53 /mo plan. According to his video, once you cut the chord your Adobe products will be no longer functional. Obviously, you can't edit but you also won be able to view catalogs and images. He showed screen shot evidence. Being addicted to Adobe is a bit like being addicted to drugs. It is difficult to go cold turkey.
BTW I wish every Hedgehog member would send me $12/year (surely you won't miss it) Of course, I am kidding.
cjc2
Loc: Hellertown PA
Don't believe everything you read. While I've always thought that one day Adobe would raise the price, I would not think that they would raise it over 100%! I have no inside information and I will just continue to use Lr Classic (or whatever they call it now) until some real information comes forward. Best of luck.
Gene51
Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
Except that when you buy On1 for $100, they have a very aggressive R&D team that releases meaningful and desirable upgrades every November - and you can buy the upgrade for $80. You then have the choice of sticking with your out of date "perpetual" license or stay current. In which case the past 5 yr cost was $420, compared to my CC subscription which I laid out $600 for over the same period, but I got a solid workflow/raw conversion/digital asset management tool, along with a comprehensive image editing program. I use all three, and a few others - and as good as it is, On1 is not quite yet a replacement for LR/PS. LR/PS is still an excellent value and certainly worth every penny.
I don't see the extra $36 a year I spent on my subscription as a big deal - especially since it allows me to do work that is not easy to accomplish in ON1. I like both, but if I had to give one up, it unquestionably would be On1. The benefit of owning a perpetual license "forever" fades over time. I still have perpetual licenses for Lotus 123, dBase IV, Visicalc, Visiword, Multimate, TK Solver, Wordstar, Word Perfect, Multiplan, WordPerfect, Pagemaker, Harvard Business Graphics, Ventura Publisher and so on. A lot of good any of those "forever" licenses are doing me now.
lsimpkins wrote:
Correct. And many EULAs (End User License Agreement) include a clause that the software author may revoke the "perpetual" license for specified reasons.
I stupidly forgot the E for End User
Gene51 wrote:
Except that when you buy On1 for $100, they have a very aggressive R&D team that releases meaningful and desirable upgrades every November - and you can buy the upgrade for $80. You then have the choice of sticking with your out of date "perpetual" license or stay current. In which case the past 5 yr cost was $420, compared to my CC subscription which I laid out $600 for, but I got a solid workflow/raw conversion/digital asset management tool, along with a comprehensive image editing program. I use all three, and a few others - and as good as it is, On1 is not quite yet a replacement for LR/PS.
I don't see the extra $36 a year I spent on my subscription as a big deal - especially since it allows me to do work that is not easy to accomplish in ON1. I like both, but if I had to give one up, it unquestionably would be On1.
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Absolutely agree. For people like you, the Adobe deal is an absolute bargain. For other people, depending on their requirements and preferences, it may not be such a bargain. Some people may also prefer using alternatives such as Capture One regardless of the cost or pricing model.
MartyM wrote:
One could have also purchased a '70's countertop microwave, as we did. Did we choose to keep that huge Goliath forever? No. Software, as with appliances, will always evolve. If you stilled used and enjoyed the microwave, as well as have the counter space, then so be it. Keep it until it runs no more. We have choices, that's what makes America Great.
So what you’re saying is that everyone who does not live in “that’s what keeps America Great” is still using their microwaves purchased in the seventies, black and white televisions and the abacus to make mathematical calculations. Not forgetting their old software from whenever. I think a few more people have choices as well but then perhaps you’ve never travelled the world to find out.
Gene51
Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
fetzler wrote:
JCristina does make some valid points. The rental model is distasteful to some.
In a more recent video than the one I believe is refered to here, JChristina has decided to cut the chord with Adobe. This is a brave step for someone who is a working professional who has suscribed to the $53 /mo plan. According to his video, once you cut the chord your Adobe products will be no longer functional. Obviously, you can't edit but you also won be able to view catalogs and images. He showed screen shot evidence. Being addicted to Adobe is a bit like being addicted to drugs. It is difficult to go cold turkey.
BTW I wish every Hedgehog member would send me $12/year (surely you won't miss it) Of course, I am kidding.
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Distasteful to the very same people who rent internet access, phone network access, pay a mortgage (money which never fully recovered), lease cars, rent access to power, sewer, water, subscribe to magazines and newspapers, etc.
And you are wrong about functionality after cutting the
cord LR is completely functional except for editing new or existing images, and you can't geotag. Your catalog is YOUR data, along with the edits that you have made and all the derivative images. Calling it an addiction, which is actually self-destructive behavior based on a personality disorder or psychosis - is a little harsh, don't you think? Are you saying that the nearly 10,000,000 Adobe subscribers are mentally ill?
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