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If you had a chance to reword the Second Ammendment , what would it say?
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Sep 2, 2012 18:25:17   #
jjwright71 Loc: Lubbock,Tx
 
hey where did they get the aggie (texas a & m ) pistol

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Sep 2, 2012 18:28:17   #
davejann Loc: Portland Oregon
 
Croce wrote:
ted45 wrote:
tschmath wrote:
handgunner wrote:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This is from the Connecticut Constitution: Connecticut: Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state (1818).

If you had a chance to reword the Second Ammendment , what would it say?


I like the way the Connecticut law is written. It allows for sensible control of guns and ammunition and prevents the state from outlawing all guns. Banning military style guns and large magazines, as well as armor piercing bullets, is a sensible way to limit gun violence without taking away everyone's guns.
quote=handgunner A well regulated Militia, being ... (show quote)


I agree that there is no reason to allow full-jacket ammo for any civilian gun. However, "military style" is a little too vague to be the basis of a ban. I was at a gun show last week and saw a lot of "military style" guns that were just old fashioned semi-auto rifles with a lot of crap added on to make them look "cool". It was mostly the young guys looking at them but very few people were actually buying.

As far as large magazines go: I saw a guy in Kentucky a few years ago load and fire a bolt action Remington faster than his partner armed with a civilian version of the AR15. The proficiency of the shooter was more important than the size of the magazine. In fact large magazines were never a big seller until the talk about banning them started.
quote=tschmath quote=handgunner A well regulated... (show quote)


The reason military ammo is, by Geneva Convention rules, restricted to FMJ is because FMJ is not as fatal or maiming a round as soft nose, hollow point, etc type bullets. There is an attendant reason to that also. It takes 5 to 7 people dependent on location and condition to care for 1 wounded, thereby removing more people from actual combat. Killing, removes one.
quote=ted45 quote=tschmath quote=handgunner A w... (show quote)


I agree except that the actual depth of the medical support triange is much larger than that.

Dave

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Sep 2, 2012 18:28:25   #
jjwright71 Loc: Lubbock,Tx
 
DennisK wrote:
KW Conch wrote:
gmcase wrote:
"The people shall have the unabridged right to keep and bear arms and to protect themselves from all enemies, both foreign and domestic."

We have far more domestic enemies currently beyond the commn criminal.


Do you plan to do battle with the US Army or the US Marines ?


Do you plan to live in tyranny, or freedom?
i plan to live in texas (with a ccw permit)

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Sep 2, 2012 18:33:29   #
spinkick Loc: Watseka IL
 
To me, education is the key. When you apply for a gun permit then lessons should come with it. Obviously military service would exempt you from this. Don't think it would break the budget for the police department to have classes at their gun range on weekends or evenings. Of course some cops might not like civilians with better aim than them Or, private companies could spring up to do this......gee hey look I'm helping with the unemployment crisis. If the thought that there might be a gun in the house is a criminal deterent imagine what the thought of a gun owner that was required to be proficient with his/her weapon would do to the little assholes.

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Sep 2, 2012 18:35:36   #
DennisK Loc: Pickle City,Illinois
 
jjwright71 wrote:
DennisK wrote:
KW Conch wrote:
gmcase wrote:
"The people shall have the unabridged right to keep and bear arms and to protect themselves from all enemies, both foreign and domestic."

We have far more domestic enemies currently beyond the commn criminal.


Do you plan to do battle with the US Army or the US Marines ?


Do you plan to live in tyranny, or freedom?
i plan to live in texas (with a ccw permit)

Then what will you do if the army or marines come for your guns?

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Sep 2, 2012 18:38:26   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
KW Conch wrote:
gmcase wrote:
"The people shall have the unabridged right to keep and bear arms and to protect themselves from all enemies, both foreign and domestic."

We have far more domestic enemies currently beyond the commn criminal.


Do you plan to do battle with the US Army or the US Marines ?


Huh?

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Sep 2, 2012 18:39:54   #
jjwright71 Loc: Lubbock,Tx
 
spinkick wrote:
To me, education is the key. When you apply for a gun permit then lessons should come with it. Obviously military service would exempt you from this. Don't think it would break the budget for the police department to have classes at their gun range on weekends or evenings. Of course some cops might not like civilians with better aim than them Or, private companies could spring up to do this......gee hey look I'm helping with the unemployment crisis. If the thought that there might be a gun in the house is a criminal deterent imagine what the thought of a gun owner that was required to be proficient with his/her weapon would do to the little assholes.
To me, education is the key. When you apply for a ... (show quote)
well sugar in tex i spent 160.00 1 whole day schooling by an off dutyS O sgt to get my ticket,went to firing range ,to qualify score was min 180 shooting controled course with 50 rounds , sending finger prints to FBI ,

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Sep 2, 2012 18:48:58   #
spinkick Loc: Watseka IL
 
hey there proof that my idea works.

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Sep 2, 2012 21:15:28   #
jjwright71 Loc: Lubbock,Tx
 
spinkick wrote:
hey there proof that my idea works.
sorry state of texas beat you to it by 10 years ,

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Sep 2, 2012 21:57:53   #
Blake Loc: Alfred NY
 
spinkick wrote:
To me, education is the key. When you apply for a gun permit then lessons should come with it. Obviously military service would exempt you from this. Don't think it would break the budget for the police department to have classes at their gun range on weekends or evenings. Of course some cops might not like civilians with better aim than them Or, private companies could spring up to do this......gee hey look I'm helping with the unemployment crisis. If the thought that there might be a gun in the house is a criminal deterent imagine what the thought of a gun owner that was required to be proficient with his/her weapon would do to the little assholes.
To me, education is the key. When you apply for a ... (show quote)


In some juristictions the police are required to make sure that an applicant has had the proper training. Some require a hunted education program, (they do teach safe firearm training of both long and short firearms.) or a seprate handgun class. The NRA has an excellant program for safe handgun handeling. There are private companies Such as Front Sight that train individuals can be confident in the use of any firearm under very streeful conditions. However criminals do not care what your education is.

Blake

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Sep 2, 2012 22:18:01   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
DennisK wrote:
KW Conch wrote:
gmcase wrote:
"The people shall have the unabridged right to keep and bear arms and to protect themselves from all enemies, both foreign and domestic."

We have far more domestic enemies currently beyond the commn criminal.


Do you plan to do battle with the US Army or the US Marines ?


Do you plan to live in tyranny, or freedom?


I don't feel that I have lost any freedom in the last 4 years. I lost more under the Bush "Patriot Act".

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Sep 2, 2012 22:23:13   #
DennisK Loc: Pickle City,Illinois
 
KW Conch wrote:
DennisK wrote:
KW Conch wrote:
gmcase wrote:
"The people shall have the unabridged right to keep and bear arms and to protect themselves from all enemies, both foreign and domestic."

We have far more domestic enemies currently beyond the commn criminal.


Do you plan to do battle with the US Army or the US Marines ?


Do you plan to live in tyranny, or freedom?


I don't feel that I have lost any freedom in the last 4 years. I lost more under the Bush "Patriot Act".
quote=DennisK quote=KW Conch quote=gmcase "... (show quote)

Why did you feel it necessary to bring politics into this perticular discussion?
I was referring to your statement about fighting the army. I do agree the patriot act as well as homeland security just created another unlawful police force(well it should be illegal).

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Sep 2, 2012 22:23:21   #
jjwright71 Loc: Lubbock,Tx
 
Blake wrote:
spinkick wrote:
To me, education is the key. When you apply for a gun permit then lessons should come with it. Obviously military service would exempt you from this. Don't think it would break the budget for the police department to have classes at their gun range on weekends or evenings. Of course some cops might not like civilians with better aim than them Or, private companies could spring up to do this......gee hey look I'm helping with the unemployment crisis. If the thought that there might be a gun in the house is a criminal deterent imagine what the thought of a gun owner that was required to be proficient with his/her weapon would do to the little assholes.
To me, education is the key. When you apply for a ... (show quote)


In some juristictions the police are required to make sure that an applicant has had the proper training. Some require a hunted education program, (they do teach safe firearm training of both long and short firearms.) or a seprate handgun class. The NRA has an excellant program for safe handgun handeling. There are private companies Such as Front Sight that train individuals can be confident in the use of any firearm under very streeful conditions. However criminals do not care what your education is.

Blake
quote=spinkick To me, education is the key. When ... (show quote)
all the criminals care about is if they hear the "shaw shunk " of a round going to battery they know they have screwed up

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Sep 2, 2012 22:27:23   #
jjwright71 Loc: Lubbock,Tx
 
hey ,sarg where did you go ,ya stirred it up and left it to me ,HAR (OL salt )

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Sep 2, 2012 22:29:16   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
DennisK wrote:
KW Conch wrote:
DennisK wrote:
KW Conch wrote:
gmcase wrote:
"The people shall have the unabridged right to keep and bear arms and to protect themselves from all enemies, both foreign and domestic."

We have far more domestic enemies currently beyond the commn criminal.


Do you plan to do battle with the US Army or the US Marines ?


Do you plan to live in tyranny, or freedom?


I don't feel that I have lost any freedom in the last 4 years. I lost more under the Bush "Patriot Act".
quote=DennisK quote=KW Conch quote=gmcase "... (show quote)

Why did you feel it necessary to bring politics into this perticular discussion?
I was referring to your statement about fighting the army. I do agree the patriot act as well as homeland security just created another unlawful police force(well it should be illegal).
quote=KW Conch quote=DennisK quote=KW Conch qu... (show quote)


You asked me if I wanted to live in tyranny or freedom. I answered you. You didn't answer which branch of the American military you planned to fight if you didn't like what the government was doing.

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