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May 20, 2019 13:52:27   #
Pumble
 
PGHphoto wrote:
No pontification on my part at all. Just actual real-life experience working with companies scrambling to be able to accommodate the SCOTUS decision. Sorry that my attempt to alert you as to the state of the industry is seen as otherwise. Software design these days addresses a specific issue or task and anything scale-able has built in costs so most small companies do not buy what they don't think they need. Before the SCOTUS decision, they didn't "need" to worry about it.

A database actually is what would be needed so that finding a specific set of guidelines for a specific location will not take minutes to locate and process. With over 10k different tax table entries for tax entities and a requirement to fine tune calculations based on not only customer type (non-profit, governmental, etc) but also merchandise type (raw food, prepared food, furniture, etc) must be considered when creating software for tax calculations. Quickbooks is a good example of software that in its base install would not be sufficient to do the calculation necessary to fully support the new tax landscape in e-commerce. Last I looked (more than 6 months ago) Its was 75% of the way there but as is, will not get you what is needed for doing online commerce efficiently. And there are a LOT of small and medium sized businesses using Quickbooks right now for POS and e-commerce.

Large size companies like Amazon with their own in-house IT shops are also scrambling because of the requirement for the tax info to be timely. That tax processing module, once upgraded, then has to be re-integrated into their existing systems. Testing on that alone is a long process - even for a 'quick fix' to add rows to a table of tax entries.
No pontification on my part at all. Just actual re... (show quote)


There are many here well versed in software. I hear Charlie Brown's teacher here. None of this really matters. I can write in 5 languages including assembler and created databases before SQL existed and before you could spell the word. My daughter writes front end page code for a major online retailer that collects sales tax from any jurisdiction that assesses it, woo hoo...

The law is not new and many retailers have been collecting tax for years. That's an obligation that most saw coming with the increase in internet sales commerce. Those with vision were prepared.

Apparently your company didn't have a mechanism in place to collect the $$. This should not result in a rant of jargon that really isn't on point with the OP. Just get the code done, and push it out. You're not inventing something new, it isn't rocket science, its just a database.

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May 20, 2019 13:54:53   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
DaveO wrote:
LOL, I guess you're also not familiar with our long standing income tax! I also pay several hundred dollars a year for motor vehicle taxes and if I don't, they withhold registration. We don't miss much here.

In the 90's, when doing retail in NY, on occasion I also a to pay a county tax, depending on where I was.


CT has income tax now? I lived there for three years 1972-1975. Personal property tax (including car) instead of income tax then.

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May 20, 2019 14:04:32   #
clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa
 
AndyH wrote:
Don’t put words in my mouth, please. I love living here or else I’d move. But our property taxes are extremely regressive, our infrastructure is falling apart, and our schools are mediocre (less than that in poorer areas).

Them’s The facts Jack, and no getting around them. The other qualities make it a fine place to live.

Andy


Which political party manages that cluster?

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May 20, 2019 14:04:57   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
traderjohn wrote:
Yes you do, spent two or three generations on every entitlement program known to mankind. With no level of expectation of ever coming off those programs. Those tax $$$$$$???


Yeah, the generational poor are as hooked on entitlement programs as are the generational rich, only to a lesser degree per person. Somehow I can’t stomach the idea that my tax dollars are used to benefit the privileged but they’re the ones paying for the politicians.

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May 20, 2019 14:13:09   #
clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa
 
Tom Daniels wrote:
I pay taxes every year. The big picture is my frustration at the way our taxes are used.We have
stripped the funds for public education and doubled down on more military toys. Not supported
the veterans that have bravely given service. Let the roads, infrastructure, bridges, water supply
first responders and fireman lacking support. Made students loan victims of lenders to try and get education.
Fought wars and military action not formally approved by congress which is the law.
And are stripping out healthcare from a large group of Americans.

Now before someone tells me this post does not belong here. Maybe we should not worry
about this and think about the truth of taxes. Some do good most taxes are applied for the
betterment of a few people.
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Don’t confuse federal tax and state tax. I wonder how we could have better spent the $ that Dems spent on the Muller report and on funding the nations largest abortion provider. That’s federal. I wonder why the streets and schools suck. That’s state and local tax. If you don’t pay enough in taxes then make a donation to the agency of your choice. National parks?

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May 20, 2019 14:16:10   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
nadelewitz wrote:
CT has income tax now? I lived there for three years 1972-1975. Personal property tax (including car) instead of income tax then.


You must be old!

Started under Gov. Weicker in 1991, after an attempt in 1971.

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May 20, 2019 14:18:57   #
PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Pumble wrote:
There are many here well versed in software. I hear Charlie Brown's teacher here. None of this really matters. I can write in 5 languages including assembler and created databases before SQL existed and before you could spell the word. My daughter writes front end page code for a major online retailer that collects sales tax from any jurisdiction that assesses it, woo hoo...

The law is not new and many retailers have been collecting tax for years. That's an obligation that most saw coming with the increase in internet sales commerce. Those with vision were prepared.

Apparently your company didn't have a mechanism in place to collect the $$. This should not result in a rant of jargon that really isn't on point with the OP. Just get the code done, and push it out. You're not inventing something new, it isn't rocket science, its just a database.
There are many here well versed in software. I he... (show quote)


Sorry you were unable to follow the thread or the topic as it is being discussed specific to the statement that its 'not a big deal to change'. Please reread the sub-thread and let me know if you have questions about the sub-topic that I can answer for you.

Your assessment of my spelling ability and when it was acquired is likely not based in the reality of the facts either. BTW - You are not the only person who can and has written assembler.

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May 20, 2019 14:33:29   #
Glenn Harve
 
You can try to tell the people who have never run a biz about the costs of running a biz, but they will never understand. But they certainly think they do, and will go into long lengths to tell you about.....what they have never done. Ironically most of them are paid by the public tax system.

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May 20, 2019 14:44:06   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Pumble wrote:
There are many here well versed in software. I hear Charlie Brown's teacher here. None of this really matters. I can write in 5 languages including assembler and created databases before SQL existed and before you could spell the word. My daughter writes front end page code for a major online retailer that collects sales tax from any jurisdiction that assesses it, woo hoo...

The law is not new and many retailers have been collecting tax for years. That's an obligation that most saw coming with the increase in internet sales commerce. Those with vision were prepared.

Apparently your company didn't have a mechanism in place to collect the $$. This should not result in a rant of jargon that really isn't on point with the OP. Just get the code done, and push it out. You're not inventing something new, it isn't rocket science, its just a database.
There are many here well versed in software. I he... (show quote)


Exactly. You do realize that we are opening ourselves up to another dissertation.
I am un watching this one, which is likely Attic bound with the dopes who insist on sharing their political inhibitions.

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May 20, 2019 14:45:38   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
clint f. wrote:
Don’t confuse federal tax and state tax. I wonder how we could have better spent the $ that Dems spent on the Muller report and on funding the nations largest abortion provider. That’s federal. I wonder why the streets and schools suck. That’s state and local tax. If you don’t pay enough in taxes then make a donation to the agency of your choice. National parks?


Trump started the Mueller Report when he fired Comey. Trump could have stopped Mueller but the Republicans wouldn’t let him. Abortions are legal in America. The government pays for lots of things we don’t like. Anything else gotten under your skin?

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May 20, 2019 15:04:24   #
pendennis
 
DaveO wrote:
I will not continue to argue your attempts to convince me or anyone else, that this is some big costly program for businesses to implement a sales tax program. It's old news and all that is happening is applying it to more states. You may wish to investigate software that has been around for years. That was the point of my post and your vast knowledge of the business world will not change my assertion.


You are clueless when it comes to software development and associated costs. The last 13 years of my employment were in IT, and I had a previous background in accounting and finance. I've developed budgets for software development projects, and even the simplest are complex beyond your comprehension. No matter how flexible, no Excel spreadsheet is going to do the job. Tax software is complicated, if for no other reason, the scope of the data needed. And don't forget the maintenance on the software as well as rate updates.

The generally accepted number is just over 10K jurisdictions; not only with different percentages, but different requirements as to what's taxable. How about publications? Some are treated like newspapers with no sales tax, others like magazines and books may be taxable. Some states and local jurisdictions are now looking at, or have determined that labor is now taxable. These are matters of tax law, and if you screw up, you can spend a bundle defending yourself, and still lose. You're also dealing, in many jurisdictions, with tax tribunals and others besides legislatures.

You're taking an incredibly naive position.

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May 20, 2019 15:08:25   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
SportQue wrote:
Seems due to a new law companies are now required to charge sales tax on online purchases for out of state buyers. Anyone know of ways to skirt that? B&H is offering a credit card that pays your sales tax for you but I'm leery about getting another card online because of the personal information you have to give up, possible hidden fees etc. Also I need another CC like a hole in the head.


It's always basically been the law. You always answered a question "did you purchase any thing out of state". Get used to it. You pay taxes for the state you live in.

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May 20, 2019 15:10:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
... appropriate taxes?
Unless you are a President.


Yes, appropriate. I hate paying taxes on a sale that took place in another state. I buy something from a store in Montana, and I have to pay tax to New York? Only a politician would think that makes sense.

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May 20, 2019 15:12:00   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
Paying taxes is unavoidablle....like death. We can choose to live where we like and implicitly , therefore, agree to pay the taxes in the amount that is levied there. If we we don't like what the tax authorities spend our tax dollars for, we can move to where we agree more with the authorities. I dislike the liberal and wasteful use of my taxes by the Government of California but choose to accept them because of other factors: family, friends, accommodation, weather, scenery et al. It's a Democracy. Love it or leave it....
BTW isn't this a photo discussion site????

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May 20, 2019 15:14:33   #
ecurb1105
 
traderjohn wrote:
Or a past president.


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