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May 10, 2019 09:35:47   #
Dziadzi Loc: Wilkes-Barre, PA
 
pithydoug wrote:
My guess also and I looked - he was using spot focus. In addition the shutter was 1/3200. That would stop a humming birds wings. 1/500 would likely be fine and get the ISO way down. As for spot metering, if you focused on the batters dark top, one reading, drop to the white pants, another. I agree with center weight or be more diligent with the spot


I did try shooting @ 1/800 for a few shots. Too much blur when the batter swings.

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May 10, 2019 09:44:08   #
rodpark2 Loc: Dallas, Tx
 
I'd suggest getting a good exposure and changing to "M" exposure dialing in the SS, Aperture and ISO manually as was on the good shot. Your meter is the culprit and the exact position of white shirt or black pants gave a different reading. If the light doesn't change, the settings won't need to either. Matrix type metering would usually average between the white and dark, but spot metering would definitely give different readings.

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May 10, 2019 09:44:17   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Dziadzi wrote:
I took these photos yesterday at my grandson’s high school baseball game. I had my D7100 set up just like Nasim Manusurov recommended. Specifically Shutter Priority and auto-iso. The day was a clear blue sky at about 5p.m. EDT. For whatever reason, the ISO (though I didn’t include all the photos taken) is all over the place. Even the some of the RAW photos show under-exposure. I shoot RAW+JPEG and ususally convert the RAW to JPEG using Photoshop.

So, my question to you guys and gals is: “Am I doing something wrong, or is the camera in need of an adjustment/repair?” I hope that the metadata lends some information to help you help me.

Your thoughts and consideration are appreciated.
I took these photos yesterday at my grandson’s hig... (show quote)


Of course your ISO is going to be all over the place. You are photographing a very contrasty scene, and metering it with a spot meter. Then you are accepting the results without question.

Exposure meters (and white balance meters) are just plain STUPID. They are made to see the world as an average gray. Point them at black, a dark color, or white, or a light color, and they will try to make it gray. The engineers who programmed the camera were smarter than the meter they designed, but they're not at your scene! So you ALWAYS have to take responsibility for what you get, and make necessary adjustments.

So... If you're spot metering something navy blue, the meter will raise the ISO or open the aperture to try to lighten it. If you're spot metering those white pants, the scene will get darker. The CORRECT exposure for any part of the scene could be measured by metering a Delta-1 Gray Card held in the same light as that part of the scene. The color or brightness of the object does not matter... how it is INTERPRETED is what matters. Again, the meter is STUPID. You aren't, but you do have to be proactive.

Switch to center-weighted metering or matrix metering and see if you don't get more consistent results.

OR, you could use a hand-held incident dome meter and meter the light falling on the batter's box. Set a fixed ISO, fixed aperture, fixed shutter speed, based on that reading. Then test, chimp, adjust, test, chimp, adjust, until you find the right balance for the scene.

In an outdoor scene like that, meter the light where you are, if it's the same as the light on the principal subject. Use the gray card mentioned above.

Average exposure for the "lit" side of a subject in bright sun between 10:00 AM and 2:00 PM standard time is ISO 100 at 1/100 at f/16, or any equivalent of that (like ISO 400 at 1/800 at f/11). The shadows will be about two f/stops darker. At times, you will either have to use fill flash, or let the shadows plug up, or let the highlights burn out. Of course, working in raw will give you additional latitude for adjusting the image in post-production using Lightroom or something similar.

I hope that helps! Give it a go and see what improves.

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May 10, 2019 10:00:13   #
agillot
 
i dont know what you are unhappy about , the back ground is not the best , but you dont have the choice about that , the main subject is sharp and bright , it pops out of the picture .

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May 10, 2019 10:01:02   #
Dziadzi Loc: Wilkes-Barre, PA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Of course your ISO is going to be all over the place. You are photographing a very contrasty scene, and metering it with a spot meter. Then you are accepting the results without question.

Exposure meters (and white balance meters) are just plain STUPID. They are made to see the world as an average gray. Point them at black, a dark color, or white, or a light color, and they will try to make it gray. The engineers who programmed the camera were smarter than the meter they designed, but they're not at your scene! So you ALWAYS have to take responsibility for what you get, and make necessary adjustments.

So... If you're spot metering something navy blue, the meter will raise the ISO or open the aperture to try to lighten it. If you're spot metering those white pants, the scene will get darker. The CORRECT exposure for any part of the scene could be measured by metering a Delta-1 Gray Card held in the same light as that part of the scene. The color or brightness of the object does not matter... how it is INTERPRETED is what matters. Again, the meter is STUPID. You aren't, but you do have to be proactive.

Switch to center-weighted metering or matrix metering and see if you don't get more consistent results.

OR, you could use a hand-held incident dome meter and meter the light falling on the batter's box. Set a fixed ISO, fixed aperture, fixed shutter speed, based on that reading. Then test, chimp, adjust, test, chimp, adjust, until you find the right balance for the scene.

In an outdoor scene like that, meter the light where you are, if it's the same as the light on the principal subject. Use the gray card mentioned above.

Average exposure for the "lit" side of a subject in bright sun between 10:00 AM and 2:00 PM standard time is ISO 100 at 1/100 at f/16, or any equivalent of that (like ISO 400 at 1/800 at f/11). The shadows will be about two f/stops darker. At times, you will either have to use fill flash, or let the shadows plug up, or let the highlights burn out. Of course, working in raw will give you additional latitude for adjusting the image in post-production using Lightroom or something similar.

I hope that helps! Give it a go and see what improves.
Of course your ISO is going to be all over the pla... (show quote)


Thanks for the information. I will give your suggestions a go on the next game.

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May 10, 2019 10:06:04   #
Vince68 Loc: Wappingers Falls, NY
 
Dziadzi wrote:
Thanks to all of you who read my post and replied with comments. I normally shoot @ 1/1250 or so outdoors, just wanted to see what might happen at a faster shutter speed. Taking photos in RAW and JPEG gives me a chance to get good captures without having to make adjustments via post processing. My thoughts were that being a very bright sunny day (sans clouds) that an ISO of 200 or less should have been acceptable. I can't imagine why auto-ISO had to put the camera into 2000+ on such a bright day. I need to let you all know that the majority of the photos I took yesterday DID have good exposure. Maybe I did accidentally turn off the auto-ISO and not realize it. Old age doesn't come alone..............and I still have a lot to learn. Thanks to all of you, God bless.
Thanks to all of you who read my post and replied ... (show quote)


You may have accidentally changed from Auto-ISO to ISO without knowing that you changed it by hitting the ISO button on the back of the camera and moving the front control dial. Auto-ISO can be switched on/off that way also besides in the camera's menu settings. I have done that before myself.

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May 10, 2019 10:33:31   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
I think your camera is fine. You used spot metering and +.7 exposure compensation on the first photo. Looking at your histogram you have some blown highlights. I would have used matrix metering, probably no exposure compensation, neutral profile and normal active d-lighting as this is a rather high contrast scene.

I don't recall if the spot meter point is same as the focal point. If it is, it is mostly on the dark part of the uniform suggesting -1 to -1.5 EV adjustment
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In NX-D I found that a -1 EV exposure correction and a bit of curve manipulation made the picture a bit better. Could perhaps do a bit more in lightroom

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May 10, 2019 11:05:14   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I am no expert when it comes to AUTO ISO, as a matter of fact I like to set the ISO speed manually according to the scene I am going to shoot and the lighting present. For action I am sure nobody will tell you differently, a higher ISO is a must if stopping motion is the goal.
I seldom photograph sports and perhaps not more than a few times a year wildlife photography. I always start with ISO 400 in Aperture Priority and go from there. If the shutter speed the camera selected is not to my liking I could open the lens more or raise the ISO speed of the sensor.
My point here is that I never use AUTO ISO no matter what others say. For those wildlife shots I use matrix metering but if the subject is stationary and especially a bright subject then I could go with spot metering.

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May 10, 2019 11:09:54   #
Idaho
 
I don't know who Nasin is, but while his advice might work in some conditions, it doesn't work here. This particular scene should be shot in manual. This is not rocket science.

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May 10, 2019 11:13:52   #
BebuLamar
 
Idaho wrote:
I don't know who Nasin is, but while his advice might work in some conditions, it doesn't work here. This particular scene should be shot in manual. This is not rocket science.


To many manual is equal to rocket science.

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May 10, 2019 11:20:27   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
Also note that there is a bright area in the background to the left of the hitter and deeper shade as you move to the right side of the image. So if the meter sees the bright area, it would underexpose the shade and vice versa.
And as mentioned in a number of posts, metering mode and accidental change in ISO settings could be the real culprits.

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May 10, 2019 13:40:48   #
LMurray Loc: North Orange County, CA
 
Dziadzi wrote:
I took these photos yesterday at my grandson’s high school baseball game. I had my D7100 set up just like Nasim Manusurov recommended. Specifically Shutter Priority and auto-iso. The day was a clear blue sky at about 5p.m. EDT. For whatever reason, the ISO (though I didn’t include all the photos taken) is all over the place. Even the some of the RAW photos show under-exposure. I shoot RAW+JPEG and ususally convert the RAW to JPEG using Photoshop.

So, my question to you guys and gals is: “Am I doing something wrong, or is the camera in need of an adjustment/repair?” I hope that the metadata lends some information to help you help me.

Your thoughts and consideration are appreciated.
I took these photos yesterday at my grandson’s hig... (show quote)


If I was shooting this using spot I think I'd meter off the coach's white pants in the shade. Or the shady side of the building either should get your exposure closer. You could also try bracketing.

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May 10, 2019 14:13:20   #
Dziadzi Loc: Wilkes-Barre, PA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
To many manual is equal to rocket science.


To this old-timer, the "tricky triangle" is difficult to comprehend.

Thanks again for the help that you all have offered.

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May 10, 2019 15:44:55   #
BebuLamar
 
Dziadzi wrote:
To this old-timer, the "tricky triangle" is difficult to comprehend.

Thanks again for the help that you all have offered.


I never used the triangle for photography. The so called "Exposure Triangle" and later called "Photographic Triangle" don't compute!
But then they said it doesn't need to compute just a help for comprehension. I guess it didn't work for you.

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May 10, 2019 16:32:30   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Regardless of what you did, what I see here are blown highlights and almost blown highlights. Rather than rely on what someone else's recommended settings are, I suggest you test your camera and make your own recommendations to yourself. You'll find that once you really know your camera and its capabilities, you'll find your results will be much more satisfactory. That's what I do with the cameras I own and use before I take any photographs with them. They are tested extensively.
--Bob
Dziadzi wrote:
I took these photos yesterday at my grandson’s high school baseball game. I had my D7100 set up just like Nasim Manusurov recommended. Specifically Shutter Priority and auto-iso. The day was a clear blue sky at about 5p.m. EDT. For whatever reason, the ISO (though I didn’t include all the photos taken) is all over the place. Even the some of the RAW photos show under-exposure. I shoot RAW+JPEG and ususally convert the RAW to JPEG using Photoshop.

So, my question to you guys and gals is: “Am I doing something wrong, or is the camera in need of an adjustment/repair?” I hope that the metadata lends some information to help you help me.

Your thoughts and consideration are appreciated.
I took these photos yesterday at my grandson’s hig... (show quote)

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