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May 2, 2019 04:29:32   #
wooden_ships
 
Bazbo wrote:
I have not mischaracterized anything. This is a discussion of Wapo's list, not mine.

What I suggest that you try to respond without a sexualized personal insult. That's what a real man would do.


That behavior is de rigueur for the “stable genius” and his supporters - banal insults bereft of insight...

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May 2, 2019 07:29:46   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Wrangler wrote:
What are they? Would someone please give us a run down of what they were?


10,003 ... "I'm A Young Vibrant Man" Babylon days ago

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May 2, 2019 08:42:32   #
FrumCA
 
Bazbo wrote:
I have not mischaracterized anything. This is a discussion of Wapo's list, not mine.

What I suggest that you try to respond without a sexualized personal insult. That's what a real man would do.

My apologies for genderizing my suggestion that you "man-up". I certainly didn't intend to attack your sensitivities. I was simply trying to suggest that you show a little maturity and admit you were wrong. This would increase your opportunities to gain a bit more respect.

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May 2, 2019 10:36:44   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
Were you exercising any ounce of critical thinking when you accused Trump for the past 2+ years with colluding with Russia?


Point to an example where I did that.

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May 2, 2019 10:45:58   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
FrumCA wrote:
My apologies for genderizing my suggestion that you "man-up". I certainly didn't intend to attack your sensitivities. I was simply trying to suggest that you show a little maturity and admit you were wrong. This would increase your opportunities to gain a bit more respect.


I do not accept your apology. It would have been fine if you just stopped after the first sentence. But trying to make this about my "sensitivities" you turned into a non apology. Your insult was not about me. It was about you and your behavior. you are the one acting like a child and then tell me to "show a little maturity." Ironic, isn't it?

If you can do it without childish insult, please tell specifically what you think I was wrong about.

I am indifferent to whether or not you respect me.

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May 2, 2019 11:53:17   #
FrumCA
 
Bazbo wrote:
I do not accept your apology. It would have been fine if you just stopped after the first sentence. But trying to make this about my "sensitivities" you turned into a non apology. Your insult was not about me. It was about you and your behavior. you are the one acting like a child and then tell me to "show a little maturity." Ironic, isn't it?

If you can do it without childish insult, please tell specifically what you think I was wrong about.

I am indifferent to whether or not you respect me.
I do not accept your apology. It would have been f... (show quote)


Looks like we will continue to have a disagreement on this if you are reading it as an insult. You are evidently very sensitive to genderization terminology otherwise I would think you would not be making an issue of it. There was no insult intended. My insults are not that benign. Now, to the original point: maybe it will clear things up if you simply ignore the 'man-up' reference and read the remainder of the sentence as a suggestion to admit that your lies about Trump's alleged lies are lies themselves. It is a documented fact that many, perhaps even most, of Trump's supposed lies are actually misstatements that don't come close to being a lie. Even the media acknowledges this. You are twisting the facts to suit your anti-Trump agenda.

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May 2, 2019 11:57:52   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
WNC Ralf wrote:
tRUMP is the energizer bunny, 10,000lies and still going!


Of course. He is a politician. You can not think he is the only liar. They are ALL .....ALL lying hypocritical self-serving egotistical dishonest untrustworthy whore politicians.
There is NO difference between left wingers and right wingers.

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May 2, 2019 12:05:39   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
FrumCA wrote:
Looks like we will continue to have a disagreement on this if you are reading it as an insult. You are evidently very sensitive to genderization terminology otherwise I would think you would not be making an issue of it. There was no insult intended. My insults are not that benign. Now, to the original point: maybe it will clear things up if you simply ignore the 'man-up' reference and read the remainder of the sentence as a suggestion to admit that your lies about Trump's alleged lies are lies themselves. It is a documented fact that many, perhaps even most, of Trump's supposed lies are actually misstatements that don't come close to being a lie. Even the media acknowledges this. You are twisting the facts to suit your anti-Trump agenda.
Looks like we will continue to have a disagreement... (show quote)


I am not overly sensitive as you continue to insinuate. I don't respond to school yard insults.

You have called me a liar. Point to one specific instance.

In fact, it seems to me that you do not even understand the origin of this petty dispute. You accused me of mischaracterization and I have already pointed out to you that we were discussing Wapos list, not mine. Maybe you should try to understand the conversation before weigh in with your insults and baseless accusations.

If it makes you feel smart and mature to call ne a liar, them point to something I actually said, in context.

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May 2, 2019 12:17:43   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Bazbo wrote:
It is hard to understand why you would use this as a defense of Trump/attack on WaPo. The writer of this blog is clearly as disgusted with Trump as am I. He does have his own (largely unsubstantiated) spin on context, which is fair, but he never, as far as I can tell, proves that WaPo is wrong on its assessment of the essential untruthfulness of Trump. In fact, his added context is often worse for Trump that the WaPo original assessment.

For example, the opening words of the blog:"The writers at the Washington Post are correct that lies spray out of Trump’s face with the force of an untethered fire hose. They’re also correct that almost every statement by Trump is either false or misleading."

That is not a compelling opening argument for your case.

What WaPo gets wrong, in my view, is to present all of the false/misleading statements one one list, implying that they are all of equal importance. Which they are not, of course. Many, if not most, are of so little consequence (size of the inaugural crowd, for example) that they merit no consideration whatsoever other than a laughable attempt by Trump to message his wounded ego--especially when it involves any contrast with Obama.

Yet on the same list are Hitlerian whoppers like doctors delivering live babies, caring or them, wrapping them up and presenting them to the mother so they could decide whether or not to execute the child. A pernicious, vile lie like this has consequences far beyond whether or not Trump's inaugural crowd was the largest in history.

What I had in mind is to pick an item from theWaPo list and discuss whether or not Trump was actually telling the truth. Your linked blog does not even come close.
It is hard to understand why you would use this as... (show quote)


Ok, lets take the baby killing one. It does happen and that is a fact. Politifact says Trump oversimplified the process, so therefore they call it false. Yet it does happen, so it is not false.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/apr/29/donald-trump/donald-trump-repeats-falsely-doctors-mothers-decid/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-to-vote-on-born-alive-bill-to-protect-infants-who-survive-a-failed-abortion

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May 2, 2019 12:22:38   #
FrumCA
 
Bazbo wrote:
I am not overly sensitive as you continue to insinuate. I don't respond to school yard insults.

You have called me a liar. Point to one specific instance.

In fact, it seems to me that you do not even understand the origin of this petty dispute. You accused me of mischaracterization and I have already pointed out to you that we were discussing Wapos list, not mine. Maybe you should try to understand the conversation before weigh in with your insults and baseless accusations.

If it makes you feel smart and mature to call ne a liar, them point to something I actually said, in context.
I am not overly sensitive as you continue to insin... (show quote)

This is not that difficult. If you aren't getting my point then I don't know what I can do to try to dumb it down any further for you.

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May 2, 2019 14:44:06   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
FrumCA wrote:
Looks like we will continue to have a disagreement on this if you are reading it as an insult. You are evidently very sensitive to genderization terminology otherwise I would think you would not be making an issue of it. There was no insult intended. My insults are not that benign. Now, to the original point: maybe it will clear things up if you simply ignore the 'man-up' reference and read the remainder of the sentence as a suggestion to admit that your lies about Trump's alleged lies are lies themselves. It is a documented fact that many, perhaps even most, of Trump's supposed lies are actually misstatements that don't come close to being a lie. Even the media acknowledges this. You are twisting the facts to suit your anti-Trump agenda.
Looks like we will continue to have a disagreement... (show quote)


G
Have you ever considered that Baz might be Female?

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May 2, 2019 15:19:30   #
FrumCA
 
letmedance wrote:
G
Have you ever considered that Baz might be Female?


Yes I have but in the absence of confirmation one way or the other, it's a moot point.

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