Bazbo wrote:
Dennis: what is it exactly where you feel you are correct and I am wrong?
Baz: If there is no unlawful act witnessed, then there can be no basis for a lawful citizens arrest. Seeking asylum is protected by both our laws and international treaty, to which we are bound. Do you think that the store bought cammo guys have the training to make that distinction? There is also the matter in which they are being detained--under the imminent threat of violence (why else are the store bought cammo guys so heavily armed?) which is a whole other legal can of worms (false imprisonment, kidnappping, etc,). If these yahoos had the sense that God gave geese then they would understand the legal peril they are putting themselves in. Which they will find out soon enough if they actually use those weapons, instead gf just trying to intimidate. The actual authorities do not support this. Why do you?
Dennis: I did read what you posted and still fail to see what you are talking about.
Baz; thats on you, not me. Do you want me to bury you in case law citations? If you don't understand the dumbed down version I linked you to, then you have no hope of actually slogging through all of the case law.
Dennis: You tell us that entering the country seeking asylum is not a crime. But now pay attention to this important point you seem to be forgetting. Asylum is granted BEFORE the illegal alien enters the country.
Baz: That may be your opinion, but you are quite wrong on the law.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/03/appeals_court_rules_asylum_seekers_can_go_before_a_judge.htmlhttp://legalnews.com/detroit/1473198/Maybe you are the one who should be paying attention.
Dennis: Might I suggest in the future before you get all hot and heavily out of breath that you check your information before you come running and gunning with a GOTCHA attitude. Usually all you will get is laughed at by the rest of the people in The Attic. You are just plain wrong on all counts here my best Bucko friend.
Baz: Might I suggest you do a little homework before you post? Another suggestion: learn the difference between insult and argument, a distinction that seems to have escaped you completely. Bucko.
Dennis: what is it exactly where you feel you are ... (
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You just don't get it or refuse to listen to common sense. You tend to think that you are correct and everyone else is wrong.
When these vigilantes as you call them see a group of people they think are illegal aliens they have a right as citizens of America to inquire as to if those people have papers proving they are in America legally. One of the very first clues you should ponder if this: If they are doing it wrong then someone from law enforcement will be telling them they have no right to stop and question and then detain these suspected illegal aliens. Now that alone would be the most sensible thing anybody should be thinking. If they are doing something wrong then law enforcement will tell them. I don't know about you but that seems sensible to me. On the Conservative side we call this, get ready for it, Common Sense. The unlawful act that seems you Liberals just can't abide by or understand, one or the other, is that an illegal alien, just by being in the boundaries of the American border is ILLEGAL. That person IS COMMITTING A CRIME just being here. Do you not understand that?
From my experience in arresting probably a hundred or so illegal aliens I guarantee that they are noticed right away. So far in my arrests I was correct in identifying every one. Every one of them went to jail because, once again, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW FOR THESE PEOPLE TO BE IN AMERICA. Are you still with me Baz? I am taking a wild stab here but I believe these vigilantes see people who they think do not belong in America and someone questions them, "Donde esta su carde verde"? That always got me by. Then the suspected illegal alien will either bring out his green card or some other means of identification to either identify as either an illegal alien or someone who is supposed to be in America with legal status.
I notice you continue to insult the Americans who are taking it upon themselves to protect America whether you Liberals want it or not, by calling them cammo guys and so on. I am not sure why you would do that when actually they have every right to be here and the illegal aliens do not have a right to be here. They are most likely armed because some illegal aliens are known to be criminals. President Trump mentioned that but you, of course, refuse to believe him. But Baz, it is true. Some of those illegal aliens you Liberals love to defend have come across our border numerous times and have committed numerous crimes of murder, rape, robbery, drug sales and so on. Did I mention rape of children? Yup, all true my friend.
Where was I? Oh yes, training. What training do you honestly think it takes to ask someone you suspect of being in America illegally if they have a green card or other papers showing they are supposed to be here. Even you could do that with 5 minutes training. I don't even know where this is taking place but I suspect it is along the border somewhere. Some of the armed men will know how to speak Spanish.
Yes Baz, bury me in case law citations. I want you to do that. With all the knowledge you have shown so far why don't you just stick with something you can understand like the little cartoons that used to come with Fleer bubble gum. I am sure you can handle that. One thing you forget and this was told to me by a very good criminal attorney, "Dennis you can ask me a law question and I can take a few days or a week to get back to you. Even then you have to remember that what I tell you may or may not win in a court of law. Lawyers always have the other lawyer to think about. He has looked up his case law too. It is the judge who determines which lawyer is correct." "But Dennis you work the streets as a cop. You have seconds to make that same legal decision that it will take me days to figure out." That is it as best as I can remember. You also know, if you are an attorney, that you attorneys often give bad information or threats to people just to make them think, Wow. This guy is an attorney. We better not screw with him. I have won in court against a couple of good trial attorneys and their client went to prison. Don't be thinking that because you can throw around talk of case law etc. that I will run scared. You will find I have little to no respect for the attorney profession. That would now include you my friend.
As to these armed guys using their firearms, you can threaten they will be buried, get sued and so on but if one of the illegal aliens happens to pull a gun or a knife, some weapon on these guys and gets shot the court will simply look at the aggressor and say the illegal alien got shot because he was a dumb ass to pull a gun on a bunch of Americans who are armed. You probably don't know this. After all you are only an attorney but illegal aliens are not allowed to possess firearms in America. So what is the armed alien doing being armed to begin with. Try that in court Baz.
I believe I have gone through your post. That style of writing is for kids. If you do that again with the Baz and then Dennis I will not answer the post.
The common sense thing I think you should remember is this. If these men are not within the law then perhaps you can explain to us why the law has not arrested them or ordered them to desist what they are doing.
There you go, no insults, just a good natured friendly discussion of exactly why these armed men are stopping illegal aliens who are not supposed to be here to begin with.
Dennis