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Apr 20, 2019 10:23:05   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
RobertH wrote:
First, I want to thank you all for this thread, because as a CC newbie, I wasn’t sure what the difference between the two LR products was, and was going to ask the question here. For a side project I started at work, I started with classic, because I think I saw somewhere that it was for the desktop. After reading this, it’s seems I made the right choice for my current needs.

As for the product naming convention, I’d say it sucks, because I really had no idea what the difference was, so I just installed both.

So can any of you suggest any good “quick start” type resources for getting up to speed with the basics of both LR and PS? I’ve done some very basic RAW editing in Nikon’s software like adjusting exposure, WB, and color tone, but that’s about it.
First, I want to thank you all for this thread, be... (show quote)


"So can any of you suggest any good “quick start” type resources for getting up to speed with the basics of both LR and PS?"

Agree that Julieanne Kost is very good at teaching in the video tutorial format.

Linda.com (bought by LinkedIn who was bought by Microsoft) has structured courses on everything. Many public libraries, companies and agencies provide access. J Kost has moved her Photoshop course to Linda.com. She also has a course there that combines the use of Lightroom Classic and Photoshop. ("Lightroom Classic CC and Photoshop Workflows: Start-to-Finish Studies")

Since this topic is about both Lightrooms, there is a new course at Linda/LinkedIn titled "Learning the Lightroom Ecosystem"

Note that Linda.com is undergoing a name change to "LinkedIn Learning".

Adobe themselves have evolved. Under the Help menu in all their apps are expanded learning options, including links to a complete video tutorial system.

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Apr 20, 2019 10:46:37   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
bsprague wrote:


Adobe themselves have evolved. Under the Help menu in all their apps are expanded learning options, including links ...


I discovered this by accident. The linked tutorials are very good IMHO.

Andy

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Apr 20, 2019 10:55:30   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The tools are targeted for specific edit platforms, not the camera equipment. If you have to bring every image home to your desktop, you may be leveraging the full capabilities of the 'classic' software. But, you're missing the immediacy of the tablet-based CC (mobile) software. If you want to debate the issue, you might start by understanding the issue ....

Why does LR exist? Because most digital images benefit from editing more refined and powerful than the minor changes to contrast, sharpening, saturation and WB that can be controlled within the camera. But also, most images require nothing as complex of PhotoShop. So, Adobe has extended the concept of LR to a tablet, covering the typical (majority) of needs of an image editor. An image may need the complexity of PhotoShop, just as an image may need the full functionality of LR classic. Lightroom mobile lets you get started and can share the WIP image(s) with LR Classic, if needed and even when PS when you get to your desktop. But in the meantime, you can share the results with clients on the quality display of your tablet with the 'polished' look of edited images, even from RAW, rather than SOOC very preliminary results of JPEG.

The serious photographer who works with presets and profiles for a consistency of results, they can bring their vision to their tablet and perform the in-field application of this knowledge capital and efficient workflow.
The tools are targeted for specific edit platforms... (show quote)


I have no need for Photoshop/Lightroom in any form, but your response is the most sensible discussion I have seen on UHH regarding them.
Hail to your statement "But also, most images require nothing as complex of PhotoShop."
Thank you.

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Apr 20, 2019 12:49:40   #
Photoladybon Loc: Long Island
 
Classic. Snap seed for the cell phone images. Works great.

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Apr 20, 2019 14:41:22   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
No debate. Each has its purpose. For me, as a busy sports photographer, I find Lr CC to be of no use as I have over 100 TB of storage. If I would need it, I would happily use it, but Lr Classic is what I want/need/use. No wrong answer. Best of luck.

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Apr 20, 2019 15:24:57   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
DWU2 wrote:
Who wants to debate? Here's today's question:

RESOLVED: In spite of improvements since it was introduced, Lightroom CC is still best suited to cell phone shooters while, of the two products, Lightroom CC Classic is the preferred tool of serious photographers.


No. Will not debate. You obviously do not understand the difference or intentions of the two programs.

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Apr 20, 2019 15:32:14   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
Each is best for what it does for me. I use LR Classic on my desktop computer for cataloguing, processing, entry into Photoshop or other plugins, printing, and managing my entire image collection which has now topped 120,000. I use LRCC and its cloud storage on my ipad when traveling, but sync that stuff into the regular catalogue once I’m home. Then I clear out those images from the cloud so I have plenty room for the next trip. So for me, LRCC is a great mobile solution that moves easily into my regular catalogue once the trip is over. But LR Classic is the home base for all my photo operations. Every subscriber will have to determine how each piece of the Adobe puzzle meets their unique needs (or not), use what they need and not worry about the rest.

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Apr 20, 2019 17:00:44   #
RobertH
 
burkphoto wrote:
Go over to http://jkost.com and see what Julieanne Kost has been up to........


Thanks to you and the others for the suggestions. I’ll take a look at the various offerings. I may start with the in app tutorial links.

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Apr 20, 2019 17:14:08   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
DWU2 wrote:
Who wants to debate? Here's today's question:

RESOLVED: In spite of improvements since it was introduced, Lightroom CC is still best suited to cell phone shooters while, of the two products, Lightroom CC Classic is the preferred tool of serious photographers.


Why do you want to debate over two different versions of the same product which were designed for two completely different purposes?

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Apr 20, 2019 17:32:55   #
Bill P
 
Who in their right mind would want to edit photos on a tiny uncalibrated phone or tablet screen?

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Apr 20, 2019 18:28:40   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
frankraney wrote:
No. Will not debate. You obviously do not understand the difference or intentions of the two programs.


Perhaps, and perhaps I do. You may wish to refer to my earlier statement regarding the word "Resolved."

While Lightroom CC may be useful, some photographers who have large photo libraries have opined that Adobe's cloud storage costs are so high that their cloud storage service is not economical for them.

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Apr 20, 2019 19:03:35   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
DWU2 wrote:
Perhaps, and perhaps I do. You may wish to refer to my earlier statement regarding the word "Resolved."

While Lightroom CC may be useful, some photographers who have large photo libraries have opined that Adobe's cloud storage costs are so high that their cloud storage service is not economical for them.


Economical or not, if you edit from your laptop or desktop, use classic. If you edit on the go, using a tablet or phone, you need to use the cloud version. If you upload to the cloud on the go but edit later, you might well need both.

Two different packages for two different purposes.

Andy

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Apr 20, 2019 23:33:22   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
I use them both. IMHO LR CC is hobbled because there is no way to rename the image files. That is an important part of my workflow. So if I import directly to a mobile device then I have to move the photos back to LR Classic to rename the files. What a hassle.

But there is a lot of editing work that can be done on a mobile device. Rating culling etc. Unfortunately renaming is not something that can be done. Retouching is a different problem but the mobile tools are petty good. And LR CC has a desktop version so you can do any retouching on a computer + big monitor using LR CC if you like.

All you stick in the mud's who think that there is only one solution are missing out. And LR CC is the future. Sorry. It is. Just look at the sales numbers.

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Apr 21, 2019 02:11:26   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
DWU2 wrote:
Bill, you've obviously gained a mastery of the LR universe that enables you to do some interesting things. I've been using LR (Classic) for about seven years, and am pretty competent with it, and to a lesser extent, with PS. When LR CC came out, I made a conscious decision to stick with LR Classic. My decision was based in large part on a couple things you touched on in response to my question.

The first is cost - if you're going to go all-in and use the cloud as your primary storage (which also gives some important reliability advantages), then the monthly cost is much more than I would ever care to pay. I'm admittedly not nearly as informed about LR CC (non-classic) as I am about the Classic product. I think there are some work-arounds (I think I've read about storing smart previews in the cloud, but I'm not sure about that). But, if I have to consider what to do with every photo, whether to store some in the cloud and some not, then perhaps the product is managing me, instead of the other way around.

The second factor in my decision was the fact that, if one is going to store all of his RAW files in the Adobe cloud, then a phenomenal amount of transmission time is going to be required. If you go out on a shoot and return with 1,000 RAW files, I haven't calculated how many hours that would take, but it's a lot.

Accordingly, I opted not to purse the non-Classic version of LR for my needs. As I noted above, that makes me less than fully-informed about that product, so maybe I made a bad decision.

When there is a debate, the question of the day is framed with "Resolved:". That's how I started this debate - the title on this post is the question. Do not assume I think that the answer is resolved.

Adobe's storage costs are far higher than competitors such as Dropbox, OneDrive, etc. And the lifecycle cost of backing up to two or three local drives is an order of magnitude cheaper than that. So, that brings me back to the issue your response raised - If a photographer has a very large photo collection (over 80,000 in my case), is Lightroom CC a viable alternative, or is Lightroom Classic a better alternative?

I welcome your opinion.
Bill, you've obviously gained a mastery of the LR ... (show quote)


I use HDD storage for archiving and just use the LR CC cloud storage as working space.

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Apr 21, 2019 21:23:17   #
Ronee
 
CHG: This is the way I use. I like your concise answer.

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